Scouting yesterday

Bchunter1 · June 23, 2019, 02:59:23 PM

Aug 10 getting close , me and a buddy hit it yesterday . Really dry for down here he had nice buck close , hard horned already .

white tails heading to head I'm going to .

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kevsuperg · June 23, 2019, 03:15:52 PM

Wow, shed velvet already... Don't know about Florida but up here we're still growing.

Bchunter1 · June 24, 2019, 06:35:58 AM

Not sure how I have gcook pic on this ?

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GCook · June 24, 2019, 09:00:11 PM

Tapatalk is doing something screwy of all of the forums I frequent. I see the big alligator pic on this one. Strange.

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Bchunter1 · June 24, 2019, 09:02:24 PM

Glad to know . Thought I was going crazy 🤣[emoji1303]

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Bowguy67 · June 24, 2019, 09:17:22 PM

Quote from: kevsuperg on June 23, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
Wow, shed velvet already... Don't know about Florida but up here we're still growing.

There's nowhere they'd be hard horned. All about daylight coming into pituitary gland that triggers growing and hardening. The amount of testerone can affect drop time

GCook · June 24, 2019, 10:48:10 PM

Quote from: Bowguy67 on June 24, 2019, 09:17:22 PM
Quote from: kevsuperg on June 23, 2019, 03:15:52 PM
Wow, shed velvet already... Don't know about Florida but up here we're still growing.

There's nowhere they'd be hard horned. All about daylight coming into pituitary gland that triggers growing and hardening. The amount of testerone can affect drop time

Possible that one never shed. May have shriveled or missing . . .

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Bowguy67 · June 25, 2019, 05:00:21 AM

I'm not claiming to know everything but it'd have to shed by now because of the regtowth process. Occasionally bucks apparently get castrated in velvet and never get hard horned but I've never heard of a condition where bucks are hard horned in late June. Just goes against the cycle of daylight entering the eye.

YosemiteSam · June 25, 2019, 05:27:12 PM

Not scouting so much as just camping in the general area I plan to hunt. Went out for a few days with the family. My youngest (age 7) went off for a short hike on his own & stumbled upon a bedding area of a young buck. Couldn't have been much more than 100 yards from camp. That little buck might yet grow a branch by hunting season. But, since he also walked by our camp a couple of times, he may not be around much after the opener...

bigbadjon · June 25, 2019, 05:36:55 PM

I do not know what triggers a bucks horns to harden but in central Fl bucks are out of velvet by July.

Bowguy67 · June 25, 2019, 08:06:09 PM

Quote from: bigbadjon on June 25, 2019, 05:36:55 PM
I do not know what triggers a bucks horns to harden but in central Fl bucks are out of velvet by July.

What triggers hardening is decreasing daylight. Never heard of any bucks being hard by July. Def not June. Again I'm no expert for sure on someone else's deer but if I was betting I'd def take a no bet.
Why do they harden in July?

Bowguy67 · June 25, 2019, 08:22:22 PM

Guys I've done an en exhaustive search. Earliest I find any record of a buck shedding is Aug 22

Bowguy67 · June 25, 2019, 08:36:43 PM

Crazy I just saw a map on rut behavior in Fla. to my knowledge the further south the later. Fla is crazy. It shows as early as July in south Fla w the northern part of the state on the schedule I thought was correct.
I guess if they're rutting they gotta be able to fight. I'm amazed at the charts I just saw.

bigbadjon · June 25, 2019, 09:06:33 PM

I was looking through my trail cam pictures and in the panhandle last year deer still had velvet in August. This is about 50 miles north of Panama City.

Bowguy67 · June 25, 2019, 09:40:40 PM

Quote from: bigbadjon on June 25, 2019, 09:06:33 PM
I was looking through my trail cam pictures and in the panhandle last year deer still had velvet in August. This is about 50 miles north of Panama City.

The map shows a very inconsistent peak rut that bounces all over latitude wise. I fwd it to a biologist I know he was stumped. He's fwd it to a deer biologist he knows.

Bowguy67 · June 25, 2019, 09:43:59 PM

I don't know if this is legible but here's one of multiple maps regarding peak rut

Bchunter1 · June 25, 2019, 09:46:51 PM

Common down this far south our first hunt is August 10 . Got some cameras out I will be getting some pic . There just starting to rub .

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Bowguy67 · June 26, 2019, 08:13:35 AM

Well my buddy got back to me. He didn't clarify exactly the hard horns thing but said some stuff bout the area being closer to the equator and the "growing" season was not a consideration. It'd make the rut kinda whenever and very extended. That would explain the rut but he's still getting back on the hardening thing regarding daylight entering the eye. He also theorized northern deer transplanted southerthy could be confused but that doesn't make sense to me. I'm still amazed

Bchunter1 · June 26, 2019, 08:38:06 AM

I think a lot of it has to do with the deer that are in the glades . Earlier the better before the summer rains flood the glades . If you look at the map the early area is pretty much all the Everglades area .

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Wudstix · June 26, 2019, 09:55:21 AM

Thanks!!!

Scouting yesterday

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