Going from a “hybrid longbow “ to an ASL

[frassettor]

After shooting hybrids for so long, I have been getting into the ASL longbows. It's definitely a different animal, but enjoyable.
The only way I had found to avoid hitting my arm guard is to rotate/angle  my bow arm shoulder blade back towards my string arm shoulder., which put more strain on my tricep.
Does this seem right? I've already played with the brace height and am using arrows that are well matched.
Any comments, tactics you can share

Hope your dental ins is up to date!          

All kidding aside, have fun with it!

Bisch

[T Folts]

OUCH.

[frassettor]

Originally posted by T Folts:
OUCH.

I'm not understanding your comment    

[MnFn]

If I understand you correctly, that is the way JD Berry told me to shoot my Morningstar.  He said it would help with right or left control.

[JRY309]

I hadn't shot ASL longbows because all I heard was about hand shock.Then years ago I got a Howard Hill in a trade,wow Ididn't feel the handshock that I heard about.In fact I had bought and traded for more ASL longbows.I had up to five of them,they were all I shot for two years.I did feel alittle shock and hit my arm when shooting a dacron string on them.I shot low stretch materials on mine and quit hitting my arm.I still have two and still shoot them along with my other longbows and recurves.Some guys hate them but others love them.I wish I had shot one for myself way earlier instead of listening to other opinions about them.

[George Vernon]

I found the string could hit my bow arm when I was shooting the ASL with a fully extended bow arm and the elbow locked with the inside or the crease area of the elbow facing almost straight up.  This position will rotate the wide part of the lower arm into the path of the string.

I learned not to lock my elbow, and to rotate my lower arm so that the inside of the elbow crease is basically straight up and down.  This is a more comfortable shooting position for me and I now use it with hybrid bows and recurves.  It has eliminated the string slap problem for me.

Originally posted by frassettor:
 

Originally posted by T Folts:
OUCH.

I'm not understanding your comment      [/b]

He might have been referring to my comment!

I was just poking fun. That's why I included the second sentence in my post!

Carry on!

Bisch

Originally posted by George Vernon:
I found the string could hit my bow arm when I was shooting the ASL with a fully extended bow arm and the elbow locked with the inside or the crease area of the elbow facing almost straight up.  This position will rotate the wide part of the lower arm into the path of the string.

I learned not to lock my elbow, and to rotate my lower arm so that the inside of the elbow crease is basically straight up and down.  This is a more comfortable shooting position for me and I now use it with hybrid bows and recurves.  It has eliminated the string slap problem for me.

I dunno about "elbow crease" but in my limited experience (5 yrs or so with hills) I believe you're correct about locking the elbow...break that lock (target form) and your arms will begin to tune-in to your back, shoulders and all of the rest of what happens in an instinctive release.

[Mike Mongelli]

The string SHOULD typically hit you just above the wrist if you have everything setup correctly.

[nineworlds9]

They are enjoyable and great for nostalgia and if you want to take Stickbow shooting to a different niche, kinda like selfbows.  I've owned many.  I'm opposite, I always default to hybrids.  Hills are kinda like guys who shoot boltguns and semis and then want to get into black powder.

[M60gunner]

I shoot all my bows with a bent elbow. It's a natural for me. But my wife locks her. It's a natural thing for her. So she needs that long arm guard. Tried to teach her to bend her elbow, it caused her pain. Point is, we an'it all the same physically.
I will say this about locked elbow and bent elbow. A bent elbow is harder to keep the same way each time. You may come to your anchor but if your bow arm is not solid you could be short drawing. Shultz emphasizes the solid bow arm in his video for just this reason. Looking at how he cuts his arrows I believe he uses the back of the point for a draw check.

[Fattony77]

Could it be that with the ASL you're "heeling" the bow grip more than with the hybrids? I know (thanks to Arne Moe & the Shooter's Form forum) that if I don't keep a 45* angle with my knuckles (in relation to the center-line of the bow) I get "string slap." I find that it is more difficult for me to do that when I'm shooting bows with a straighter grip.

Watch this four times or more, don't add anything to it and don't change anything and you will get along with that ASL just fine.  Also, don't worry about the picture quality, you after the information.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rel4Q_VT_Fo

[flyguysc]

Check out Arne Moe's you tube videos

[Butch Speer]

Flyguysc x100

[ChuckC]

Yessir..... try it and have fun.  

There are many who will say that HH's way is the only right way.  It was.... for HH.    You are not HH.  Find the way to do it that is enjoyable to you and have fun.  It will take some time and experimentation.   They shoot well, they shoot fairly fast, they can kill lots of game.  

I believe that they like heavier arrows and you can get rid of almost all "thump" by using heavy arrows.

I myself have a lot of bows and tend to grab the ASLs to shoot while the others sit.  They just suit my "feelings".  You might find that you don't like them, but hey, isn't that the way of everything ?  Try it and see for yourself.

With wood arrows, it is very easy to set them up to use the point as a draw check.  To follow Hill's teaching via John Schulz takes patience, time and effort.  Many folks look for a simple four step automatic approach to making longbows work for them.  When one shoots them in a way to take advantages of the versatility for any and all hunting situations, then ASL longbows really shine.  I wonder when some criticize the Schulz plan, if they really took the time, had the patience, and done the work in detail as John described.

[2treks]

Years ago, 1993-94, I was walking to the target butts with a buddy and one of his bows that he made(he is a top end bowyer, and excellent archer).
I was already making excuses about missing as we approached the line. I said things like, "  this bow is not tuned yet", or "I never shot this one before", I'm not used to this design..."
My friend had had enough of my excuses and told me that a good archer could shoot anybow. He took the bow from my hand and hit the mark several times, the proceeded to do the same thing with everyone's bow in our little group. Same arrows, different bow, archer making changes as needed.
An American Longbow is a very excellent and easy to shoot bow. Don't make it hard, but above all, don't make an excuse. Its not that hard, Keep it simple, because it is.

[bamboo]

An American Longbow is a very excellent and easy to shoot bow. Don't make it hard, but above all, don't make an excuse. Its not that hard, Keep it simple, because it is.

---right on chuck!!
don't make excuses before you make the shot