Ya Bue, I find just the thought of a draw force curve offensive. But then so would you if your bow's speed was measured in geologic time

Quote from: Buemaker on May 04, 2021, 07:23:57 AM
It's only rock'n roll, but I like it like it, yes I do. I think I will stick with Blacky's way, he have tested tons of bows. But I kind of like zero at brace too, would be very simple. Perhaps I should test the same bow two ways and compare.

  Problem with Blacky's dfc's were that they were doctored and not accurate...  It does not matter that much any way when you are looking for performance / arrow speed out of a bow and you are comparing different bow designs unless you have one dfc that is obviously better than another one...  I have two recurve models the one with the better looking dfc shoots slower than the other recurve... DFC's are not an absolute but if you do it accurately it can help to give you better understanding whats going on inside your bows limbs to help you make better informed decisions to improve performance when comparing one bow to the next of the same design...

What came first.
The chicken
The egg
Or was there a Roster in there.

Maxi there had to be a rooster up in there at some point.

This Rooster only had 1 o down there because he was not fully developed 

  Just want to add one more point... A dfc has to be accurate to be used correctly... Meaning that it has to be measured accurately to within .010" to .015" and to within mostly within 5/100 of a pound and to 1/10 of a pound at it's worst...

C'mon guys... There is some valuable info here... I don't really see what's so funny...  I used DFC's to help me get up to 193 fps...   I see this happen all the time on here... As soon as things sway away from what some may think of their way of making a bow, they start making fun of it... This is no theoretical air bow talk... This is real stuff...  Not to brag but other than posting that video of Jake Kaminski with a super accurate dfc last week I have the most accurate dfc's out there from what I have seen...  I dare anyone to prove me wrong on this...  I have learned tons from studying them... It's a very valuable tool...  Kinda like a ratchet and torque wrench compared to a open end wrench... Y'all will still get the job done with that open end wrench... But.??

I'd like to have one of those....

https://youtu.be/GYn5jYsaXlA

But it's a little bit pricy.

Cool device...

Cool device!  I wonder how big the market has been for those.

The vid is somewhat blurry... The lines on the curve appeared to be wonky... Hard to tell with a fuzzy image...  I would like to see the numbers to see how accurate they are...

QuoteC'mon guys... There is some valuable info here... I don't really see what's so funny...

Maybe we thought we could lighten things up in this thread instead of watching you 2 bicker back and forth over 1/4".

Cause if it continues, this thread is going bye byes.

First off... I saw no bickering...  Second off...  I think you are jumping the gun... Third,  making light and joking doesn't help matters when two people are serious about something...  How about offering an opinion to help settle things??   Aren't you supposed to wait till things get nasty???  I see none of that here...  Just a simple miscommunication...

  Yah gotta let people work things out Bro...  As we did...  I have seen things shut down way too early before where people were having a disagreement and was not at all out of hand...  Actually I found a couple quite interesting until it was shut down...   There is a difference between a heated argument and a discussion over a disagreement...  And both can be a part of what a forum is all about...  Sometimes you can learn a lot if two people are have a debate over a subject...  I say let them go until things do get nasty, and if so tell them to take it else where...

   If I can make a suggestion...  If any two or more people have a disagreement or to the point that Roy has to get involved...  I suggest that you go to private messaging, emails or phone calls and settle your differences of opinion, respectfully and as a gentleman... And learn to agree to disagree if you have to...

Quote from: Roy from Pa on May 04, 2021, 09:49:51 AM

QuoteC'mon guys... There is some valuable info here... I don't really see what's so funny...

Maybe we thought we could lighten things up in this thread instead of watching you 2 bicker back and forth over 1/4".

Cause if it continues, this thread is going bye byes.

  To you it was bickering over 1/4"...  To me I learned something new...  I learned that it is possible to put a 1/4" on a DFC...  And I can take that to the bank...  You are not gonna see what everyone else sees so let them discuss it...

Well good for you.

Quote from: Shredd on May 04, 2021, 08:17:43 AM

Quote from: Buemaker on May 04, 2021, 07:23:57 AM
It's only rock'n roll, but I like it like it, yes I do. I think I will stick with Blacky's way, he have tested tons of bows. But I kind of like zero at brace too, would be very simple. Perhaps I should test the same bow two ways and compare.

  Problem with Blacky's dfc's were that they were doctored and not accurate...  It does not matter that much any way when you are looking for performance / arrow speed out of a bow and you are comparing different bow designs unless you have one dfc that is obviously better than another one...  I have two recurve models the one with the better looking dfc shoots slower than the other recurve... DFC's are not an absolute but if you do it accurately it can help to give you better understanding whats going on inside your bows limbs to help you make better informed decisions to improve performance when comparing one bow to the next of the same design...

Rich,
Was Blackie's methods/reviews  a way to compare bows set up as the bowyer recommended? or tested after being tuned by the tester?  I am guessing the two bows of your own that you cite could have been set up differently to give different results?

I hope you take a moment and explain your calculation in more detail. what exactly do you do with your DFC or numbers?

thanks

Willi...  I just sent you a PM... I'll be up tonight until about 11 pm...