acedoc, Big Jim has a video on the  Dark Timber very impressive.

I did see that video and its impressive! I found the accuracy Terry has even more impressive and would have loved to see this arrow being tested. It has the potential to be a game changer for us long draw types.

Tomorrow I will revisit these arrows out of a   Lighter weight bow from Big Jim...

Still to the right a bit with the Grizz...not as far obviously as with the 60# er(2 far right holes)

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Here is the footing...I have no idea what it weighs...I need to ask Gary.

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Flight again was perfect.

The Victory's windage is dead on...little low on both(1.5 - 2 inches) probably me or that they are half the diameter of my normal arrows
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either way these agree with this poundage   and flight was great...no winding down...

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With the Centershot I didn't see a need for a second shot......

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Obviously these will work out a both  Bow weights

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The Eastons came around also...just low... Now sure if it was me or these tiny diameters f messing with my of sight picture as compared to my twice as large normal arrows.

Either way all of these would probably be pretty compatible with a little fine tunning 3..... But the centershots seemed to work on both.

I don't need to show the centershots footing as they don't have any  Footing

Quote from: Hermon on April 02, 2019, 07:19:59 PM
Couple questions Terry.  When you say "wind down" what do you mean?  That the tail of the arrow is down wind?  Any thoughts as to why the stiffest arrows are showing weak? 

Thanks for the information.

I have MY THEORY of why the stiffer arrow is showing weak as this is something i've battled for quite some time.  I used to shoot 340's and 300's out of bows in the mid to low 50's.  It is just something about them, but I could get them to fly like darts; bareshafts and all.  In my experience and OPINION, the stiffer shafts show weak due to the tail end of the shaft bouncing off the rest a little due to last of paradox and then they hit weak.  This theory is supported by his findings as well.  His first arrow is a .330 cut to 30" with a standard insert(not sure what that is in that arrow) and it strikes 6" right(weak for a RH shooter).  Then his next arrow was a .400 with a 65 grain insert cut to 30" and it shows less weak than the .330.  Next up is the Beman CS that are .400 spine with standard insert and they hit the best of all 3. 

Also some factors I think are worth mentioning: The victory's are fletched with 4 fletch shield and the Centershot are 3 fletch parabolic.  Not sure of the exact length of the feathers, but I have seen longer fletching effect flight due to clearance. 

Either way, thanks for sharing, Terry.  I always love reading others findings.

In reference to my previous comment.

http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=100633.0

Daniel you must have missed one of my post... these arrows are footed with metal on the front.

I have shot all lengths and heights of feathers  for over 40 years ...never had a issue with any of them changing point of impact if they were the right spine... Including Flu Flus.

I have shot the same arrows for 20 years with all sorts of configurations ..never has there been a difference in the impact.

And, if there was a clearance issue I would not be getting great flight.

Some of these errors are just showing weak as they are not stiff enough for the added 75grains of footing...

fyi : those grizz outserts weigh 67gr. for the 400 spine

Thanks Larry.... that comes out to a 241 grain head.

Left is Victory footing...right is Easton.

Again I have no idea what they weigh...maybe some of you could chime in or Gary will.
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The Centershots have no footing.

Griz 67 grains
Victory 65 grains
Easton 100 grains......that is if what it says on the box is correct

Terry what's your draw length on the bows you are using to test these arrows? Thanks.

Quote from: Hoosierarcher88 on April 11, 2019, 10:39:46 AM
Griz 67 grains
Victory 65 grains
Easton 100 grains......that is if what it says on the box is correct

Duh.... I guess I should have paid a little more attention.... The Griz does say regular though 

Hey Daniel..... I'm gonna get more these Centershots four fletched just for good measure..... If my wife  would not have moved and separated my BPE fletching jig parts... I would strip one of these. 

Based on beeman's specs the centershots at 29" weigh 467 grains.

Plus insert nock insert nock feathers and metallic reflective rap I'm guessing it's gonna be close to 510 grains when I get through with it......

Which won't be a bad weight considering I will be shooting these from 52 to 56 LB bows....

This was my entire purpose to get away from Error Dystructions trad lites on my lighter weight bows.

Spell check is tearing up your posts! But I can interpret, it's like trying to figure out what my wife means.

I think Error Dystructions fit