HH bug got me ... Part One!

leatherneck · February 10, 2011, 10:59:00 PM

Well, let me just say this. Before my Hill bow I shot(and still do) a high end bow. I will add this about speed if it's your thing. The same draw weight,arrow,etc.,and with the naked eye I believe my Hill is faster. So to say that speed is a flaw in a Hill bow is beyond me.

leatherneck · February 10, 2011, 11:01:00 PM

Holy cow,I was the 1000 post on this thread. Rob,wheres my gold watch? OK, I settle for one of your HH bows.

canopyboy · February 10, 2011, 11:01:00 PM

I've brushed other bows. Depends on the finish you're applying. If you want to get rid of brush marks (often the right finish with the right amount of the right thinner makes for no marks) you can always do a final wet sand and wax. I think there's a thread or two on the subject if you search the bowyer's bench forum.

canopyboy · February 10, 2011, 11:04:00 PM

Congrats leatherneck.... That's an honor right there.

Of course, I just now figured out how to tell what post I'm on. Guess I had 998 and 1002.

stik&string · February 10, 2011, 11:06:00 PM

Wannabe: Pics will be coming when it is not -30 outside

Leatherneck: I just reread my post and I didn't want the speed thing to sound that way, I really don't care about the speed and it is an unfair comparsion on my part. My Hill is 55 @ 26 and most of my other bows are 75-100 so of course the Hill will be slower.

leatherneck · February 10, 2011, 11:24:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by stik&string:
Wannabe: Pics will be coming when it is not -30 outside

Leatherneck: I just reread my post and I didn't want the speed thing to sound that way, I really don't care about the speed and it is an unfair comparsion on my part. My Hill is 55 @ 26 and most of my other bows are 75-100 so of course the Hill will be slower.

No brother, my comment was not from your post. Sorry if it seemed that way. I was more or less just making a statement in reference to the non-believers.

leatherneck · February 10, 2011, 11:26:00 PM

Holy cow!!! 75-100-You just made my shoulder hurt.lol

Rob DiStefano · February 11, 2011, 08:54:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Wannabe1:
I'd definitely be in it for the fun. I have others to shoot while working on it so, I'd take my time and do it right. I don't have sprayers so, what would be a good way to put the finish on?

i doubt one could beat a min-wax wipe-on polyu finish. i would always suggest gloss instead of satin - the gloss formula is just better and the last coat can be wooled down to a satin or matte finish if need be. the wipe on formula is self leveling, leaving a very smooth, glass-like finish.

with oily woods such as cocobolo, they need to be sealed and prepped before any finish can be applied. i use water thin cya, spread *quickly* with a folded cotton pad (wearing a surgical glove!). a few coats of that, with 0000 wooling in between should suffice before moving on to whatever clear coats.

another good finish is the 'massey' - slow set epoxy diluted with acetone. a weak slurry is mixed up and wiped on with a cotton pad, 0000 wooled between coats.

but still, imo, very hard to beat good ol' min-wax gloss wipe-on polyu - yes, ONLY the resin based clear, and NOT the water based stuff.

Molson · February 11, 2011, 09:08:00 AM

I think this might have been answered but I can't find it...

On the Hill site it mentions the 115 fps plus bow weight as the average speed. This would suggest that overall performance goes up with bow weight without regard to the arrow weight ratio. I don't see how that can be correct unless there actually is a design flaw that shows itself in the lower weights. Now I don't think that's the case, but I am curious as to how Craig came up with that statement. Is it based on a specific weight arrow shot from different weight bows? That would make perfect sense. Does anybody know?

Mudd · February 11, 2011, 09:14:00 AM

Ding! Ding! Ding!

If I counted correctly leatherneck made post number 1,000...Wow!!!!!

Great thread!!!

God bless,Mudd

Rob DiStefano · February 11, 2011, 09:14:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by Molson:
I think this might have been answered but I can't find it...

On the Hill site it mentions the 115 fps plus bow weight as the average speed. This would suggest that overall performance goes up with bow weight without regard to the arrow weight ratio. I don't see how that can be correct unless there actually is a design flaw that shows itself in the lower weights. Now I don't think that's the case, but I am curious as to how Craig came up with that statement. Is it based on a specific weight arrow shot from different weight bows? That would make perfect sense. Does anybody know?

one would assume and hope it's based on a constant gpp, such as a base of 10.

Molson · February 11, 2011, 09:30:00 AM

Rob if that's the case, then the problem is you are actually losing ratio performance at lower weights. I would hope a 500 grain arrow from a 50# bow shoots more or less about that same as a 600 grain arrow from a 60# bow.

If it was based on a constant arrow weight, like 600 grains shot from 50#, 60#, 70# then I could see the 115 fps plus bow weight as being accurate and there wouldn't be any issue.

SpankyNeal · February 11, 2011, 09:39:00 AM

Be carefull...you guys are gonna throw us back into that "does the bow fit you properly" thing with a question like that!

Too many variables so that's why it's an average. I've personally seen a Wesley get that speed with 7.5gpp, and a carbon Wesley get it with 9gpp so the materials used in the bow, and the fit to you, do matter in that respect.

Rob DiStefano · February 11, 2011, 09:47:00 AM

hmmm, lessee ...

bow = arra = speed
45# = 450gr = 160fps
55# = 550gr = 170fps
65# = 650gr = 180fps

can those numbers be believed? (nope, i say)

what does all that mean?

probably squat.

there are a lotta factors to consider, particularly between human and mechanical bow 'speed tests'. actually, i could really care less. no hill style longbow is ever gonna be a speed demon, nor close to even a good mild r/d longbow. they is what they is. and that's a very good thing, imo.

Mudd · February 11, 2011, 09:49:00 AM

Simplicity, simplicity, simplicity.....

If it goes beyond this then we must be talking about something else....lol

God bless,Mudd

PS: There is another bow that reminds me of a miniaturized Hill. I owned and wish I had another Martin "The Stick". It was so cute and deadly!

tradlongbow · February 11, 2011, 09:52:00 AM

Hill bucket list-
Tembo with stringfollow.

The new Big Five 50# bow with carmelized limbs that I received in January is really sweat shooting; I can't get over how much more faster this bow is then my 55# Hill bow.

Darren

Rob DiStefano · February 11, 2011, 09:53:00 AM

anyone have a t/d sleeve craig hill longbow???

looking to get the length of the separated limbset, versus the connected length.

Rob DiStefano · February 11, 2011, 09:57:00 AM

QuoteOriginally posted by tradlongbow:
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The new Big Five 50# bow with carmelized limbs that I received in January is really sweat shooting; I can't get over how much more faster this bow is then my 55# Hill bow.

Darren

ok, for comparison purposes - for each bow of those 2 bows ... length, holding wt, limbset (back, straight, string follow) ... please?

February 11, 2011, 10:42:00 AM

Darren, I have read on here that the caramelized bamboo can be quicker. I was told that same thing from Schulz regarding proper heat tempering. I have been part of longbow shooters gathering around a set of chronographs, comparing bows. It can be a rather painful thing to witness. They don't all shoot the same predictable speeds. I myself am guilty of giving bows away and getting out the file and sand paper because of it. Rob says that even a mild r/d will be quicker, the last bow I gave away was a 68" Ballenger custom job unlike the 7 Lakes bows of today. It is a magnificent bow, it was quicker than a heavier Hill bow, shooting the same arrows at the same draw by a good margin and in many ways even more forgiving. It was nearly identical to a yew Hill style bow I have of the same weight, which was also faster than the heavier bow. All of these bows bows were tested with both B50 and fast flight strings. I felt bad about the whole thing, the heavier Hill was a gift from me, until the comparisons were made, the fellow I gave the bow to, thought he had the most devastating deer killing tool he had ever had.

Molson · February 11, 2011, 10:46:00 AM

I'm all about simplicity and don't mean to turn it into any technical talk. There's far more to a good hunting bow than just its speed. I'm really just curious as to how Craig came up with that. It had to come from somewhere and I figured one of you guys had asked him before.

There's no doubt two bows, even though they are "the same", can be quite different. My 60# Osage Bushbow does not shoot as fast as the 56# Hickory Bushbow I had. I still like the Osage better.