need renewed direction from the Father. Direction on what he wants me to do. I have quit teaching the men because of little or no interest.
Our church is more interested in taking care of who are in the walls then those outside. Ready to leave and go elsewhere .

I think we find churches becoming more inbred, so to speak, as distrust of the sentiments around us amplify...

I found much the same back in home state of PA, and quit for a spell...found it hard to find what I needed here for a year, but think with perseverance, in His time, I have found a good home now.

I pray for you to find the same!

On the flip side, we're told it's easy to love the lovable and harder to do so with the cantankerous! Fine line to walk...

Hard place to be for sure. Praying that God open the doors that need to be opened and close those that need to be closed and for wisdom so you know the difference.

Best not to think about it too much. It will just happen being in the right place at the right time.

I have been teaching in men's ministry since 2005. Not a lot of interest anymore. Except having fun and nothing real deep as far as ministry. I do not think Jesus wanted us to just take care of Christians.

Time in the desert is part of God's plan for many of us...

I echo Galen's prayers for you to find your purpose driven place...

I also add the sentiment that I'm of the potentially mis-guided belief that we're not meant to sit on our keister and wait for it to come to us, but to actively seek out where to use our talents.

I pray for your prayerful search to yield dividends and direction...

Keep the Son in your eyes!

Thank you brothers.  Here is something I feel deeply. Men like us who are not saved need a place to go meet with men like us who know Jesus. I feel that I should start an Outdoors Church.
How ? In God's timing. Meet around a fire , share the word, talk about it, and application, prayer. Disciple like Jesus until they understand and get saved. Like Peter ! Maybe ??

Love the idea. Look up a book called "Wild at Heart" its a good look into what men were to be. Might be of help. Praying for God to direct you.

I love that book. Have taken about 50 men through it. We are to be that. God made us that way , but society / church says no.

Mom used to say (To my frustration as a black and white teen) that,  "what else do you expect to find in church but fallible people and those in need of Grace?"

Took me years to accept/understand.  Unfortunately, the human condition of greed and thirst for power is also alive with the "people" in churches, so that it takes HIS power to change that which detracts from His body of worshipers, to bring them to some sense in line...one heart, one mind---at a time perhaps?

50 isn't a bad # for a life's work, Daniel...

50 men awesome God's not done with you yet with your willing heart

Jesus said we would do greater work. Because He is in us. I am grateful for the 50. The Lord has allowed this old long haired man to reach into
Europe too. I have a spiritual son in Germany.
There are still many men who need to hear the Good News and time is short. A few have told me be satisfied. My wife has said that too. I can't,
there are too many. I want to bring many brothers with me to Heaven. This is a new year and I desire more for Jesus.

Daniel

Desire to do more is a good thing, Daniel... just don't let it become YOUR WILL and not His!

He will open doors for those who wait on him.  Look how old Abraham was till he got his feet under him!

You're in the right place... Wait on Him... meanwhile, keep tilling the soil...spring planting time will be here soon  

Remember He will give you the desires of your heart

White hair, in honesty brother it sounds like your a lil bitter or frustrated? No church is perfect because of we people... But the head of the church Jesus Christ is perfect. Don't allow Satan to distract you from Gods will.
Perhaps God is wanting to move you on to another, my advice is that you first and foremost consult with your pastor, tell him how you feel and pray together with him for direction.
Regardless of what we face in this short and at times difficult life, God is still God and is on His throne.
And yes as far reaching the lost..., that is the churches #1 business before anything else. Salvation, baptism, discipleship. "Go ye therefore and teach all nations..."

Thank you Joseph. I am a bit bitter. And getting to talk to a pastor is harder than finding frog hair. I need to move on but my wife has found her spot now. Go ye is right. Take risks, get out of the status quo. Alas they play it safe.
I don't know but this ain't right to feel this way. Guess I have been playin in the woods too long.

God sometimes puts us in the desert to make us more keenly aware that we are but dust... and to rely on Him more...

A painful lesson I seem to keep relearning constantly and never understand how I can fall so far in regression.

Keep the Son i n your eyes, Daniel!

QuoteOriginally posted by White hair:
 Meet around a fire , share the word, talk about it, and application, prayer.  

I think that's a great idea. Men need a place to escape the ratrace and have fellowship with other men and creation for a while and be real. Seems like when I'm in the outdoors that I feel closest to, commune with and listen to God. When I was younger, I used to take other men (both Christians and not)fishing for salmon/trout/steelhead. Talked a lot about the Lord and had great times. (Caught lotsa fish too...)     :cool:      Anyway, there is a definite need for something like that IMHO.  
Bob

Originally posted by White hair:
Meet around a fire , share the word, talk about it, and application, prayer.
I think that's a great idea. Men need a place to escape the ratrace and have fellowship with other men and creation for a while and be real. Seems like when I'm in the outdoors that I feel closest to, commune with and listen to God. When I was younger, I used to take other men (both Christians and not)fishing for salmon/trout/steelhead. Talked a lot about the Lord and had great times. (Caught lotsa fish too...) [Cool] [Smile] Anyway, there is a definite need for something like that IMHO.
Bob  x2  

I think I will press on for an outdoors fellowship for men. That is God says its ok. The skill set I have learned over the years come out of a love for creation. God inspired and that's where He made Adam.