I can't make heads or tails of how to shoot @ 20 yards can y'all tell me ( after the laughter subsides) what I am doing wrong
I guess posting vids is different than pics so I guess I will figure out how to do that first Lol

Sorry dp

Post those vids and you'll get all the help you need.

The best way to sort out what is going on is with a coach or experienced shooter observing what you are doing...put as much effort into finding someone to do that as you do into posting video

DDave

Great advise from DD. I need to find a coach/mentor myself? It could only help.

Hey Soy,  Look up "themoebow1" on youtube, watch them all, Coach Arne explains proper form, which is critical if you want to hit anything IMHO.

Soy,

Where in Minnesota are you?  I'm in Grand Rapids.
Take some video, post to You Tube and then you can link here or send me a link and I'll see what I can do.  Can't help too much with just "my shooting is a mess."      :D    

Arne