I LOVE this little bow! Carbons?

JRH · December 14, 2017, 05:59:00 PM

Martin "Stick"... Been pulling heavy bows for 40 years, tooo heavy. Shoulder gave out... Thought I would never shoot again but, bought a used Martin Stick Longbow 45@28 from a church buddy so my daughter could hunt with it and she ran oft and got married! I kept the bow, and have been shooting my old awesome lam birch arrows (way over-spine) out of it, but looking at some "Traditional Only" carbons from Three Rivers with weight tubes. Anyone have any advise on these?
Thanks,
Jim in SC

Possum Head · December 14, 2017, 07:04:00 PM

I'm sure you could load the front of some 500s and forget the weight tubes.

the rifleman · December 14, 2017, 07:40:00 PM

Try some 600 spine carbons. I think if you start full length and play w tip weight you will find an arrow that shoots well.

Terry Green · December 14, 2017, 08:26:00 PM

What exactly are Traditional Only carbons?

Echo62 · December 14, 2017, 08:39:00 PM

A brand of carbon arrows that 3 Rivers sells.

The Whittler · December 15, 2017, 10:11:00 AM

I'll 2d the 600 spine.

smokin joe · December 15, 2017, 07:08:00 PM

The Traditional Only shafts are made for 3 Rivers to market as their house brand. They are very good shafts. I have been using them for years.

Terry Green · December 15, 2017, 07:19:00 PM

Thanks...who are they made by?

WVbowhunter · December 15, 2017, 07:49:00 PM

They are made by Easton

Roy from Pa · December 16, 2017, 07:30:00 AM

https://www.3riversarchery.com/traditional-only-carbon-shafting-by-easton-archery.html

Woodpuppy · December 17, 2017, 11:17:00 PM

What's your draw length? I shoot 400s with 145gr field tips in my recurve, 45 lbs @ 30". 500s are underspined with points down to 100gr for me.

sore fingers · December 18, 2017, 12:01:00 AM

I am shooting the Trad Only arrows from 3R and really like them. I am shooting a Bodnik slick stick 50# @28. I have it tuned great with the 500s cut at 29 1/4 with 100gr brass inserts and 145-150gr Heads.Besides shooting good I think they look pretty nice too.

JRH · December 18, 2017, 05:36:00 AM

My draw is 28", so I am holding 45#. The arrow length is 29.5#. I am looking at the 500 spine on the "Traditional Only" arrows?? Please Advise...
Jim H.

Orion · December 18, 2017, 08:55:00 PM

.500s should work fine. Scratch the weight tubes. You should be able to load the front end of those arrows with at least 200 grains, for example, a 125 grain point, perhaps a 50 grain adaptor and 20 grain insert. That should get you in the 500 grain range for overall arrow weight. Good luck.

JRH · December 19, 2017, 06:12:00 PM

Why would it be more advantageous to go with a heavy insert or broad head in the front than to use the weight tubes?
Thanks,
Jim H.

Orion · December 19, 2017, 08:25:00 PM

I think the Ashby studies are still archived on this site somewhere. Take a look at them. The short of it is that a weight forward arrow improves flight and penetration.

mahantango · December 21, 2017, 07:28:00 PM

If you're stuck on .500s, heavy heads/ inserts will reduce the dynamic spine and MAY give you acceptable flight. Weight tubes will only increase total arrow weight. I would opt for .600s.

mgf · December 22, 2017, 05:30:00 AM

Weight tubes are an option when you don't want to effect dynamic spine.

Since some carbon arrows are SO light, you can add the weight tubes and use your "normal" weight heads and end up with a similar FOC as you would have with your old aluminums (or whatever.

I have some beeman bowhunters that I rigged that way with a 125 grain head (because I have a bunch and I still have about a 13% FOC. It shot through last years buck at 15 yards or so and stuck the arrow in the ground.

The big problem with the weight tubes is that you have to glue everything in (nocks too) or it'll fly apart.

the rifleman · December 22, 2017, 07:38:00 AM

As others have said, I would agree that 600s are going to work out better for you than 500s. I have been able to tune 600s at that draw weight out of bows such as yours but found even full length 500s loaded up front to be way too stiff. With arrow weights today, I believe you can find 600s in whatever gpi you need without worrying about weight tubes. I because carbon reacts so quickly to length changes I think you will be able to cut them back to whatever length you need to get them to tune with whatever weight up front you want.

December 24, 2017, 09:13:00 PM

QuoteOriginally posted by JRH:
[qb] .....I kept the bow, and have been shooting my old awesome lam birch arrows (way over-spine) out of it, but looking at some "Traditional Only"

FWIW....Lam Birch arrows are not stiff (heavily spined)...they are heavy noodles. Suggest you abandon the comparison and take a look at Stu's Calculator which will give you a good place to start as you look for the correct "Trad only" shafts with which to build yer arrows. JMHO