Does anybody have any expirience with the cliff? I havent seen one in person but in pics it looks longer than the other models but pictures can be deceiving. The cliff and the no mercy have my eye as im changing up my arrow setup to something a little more mid weight instead of the 650-750 grain range i usually shoot.

Cliff, he's a one of a kind!!!

I have a few. They are considered "barbed". so illegal in some states. I can measure them for you later. Not at home right now.

The Cliff and the No Mercy are the same except the Cliff has the barbed ends.Not adding the length of the barbs on the Cliff they both are 2 1/2" long and 1 1/4" wide!
If you aren't sure of your state regs. just go with the No Mercy and you are covered.

I know im good in my state for the barbed heads

With as thin as the zwickey blades are is there any benefit to the single bevel on the no mercy

Other than looking cool is there a reason to use barbed heads?

I want that arrow coming out, especially if it's a marginal hit.

I think the theory is if it doesnt pass through the barbs dont let it back out causing it to keep cutting inside.myself i prefer 2 holesletting out blood instead of 1. Just didnt know if the cliff offered anymore cutting surface or a better blade angle than the others

Angle is about the same, but it does have more cutting length, which I like. Zwickey steel has always been great and I'm gonna have some tuned up for this fall.

From my own experience the barbed heads get a bad rap in most states for no good reason. Not a lot of heads just back out of a wound... barbed or not.

With the bards if the head penetrates so it's exposed on the far side there is a good chance that it will hang on weeds, grass, etc and be pulled free of the wounds.

This has been my experience and it echoes what Howard Hill wrote so many years ago.

Good information Charlie, thanks!

QuoteOriginally posted by Charlie Lamb:
From my own experience the barbed heads get a bad rap in most states for no good reason. Not a lot of heads just back out of a wound... barbed or not.

With the bards if the head penetrates so it's exposed on the far side there is a good chance that it will hang on weeds, grass, etc and be pulled free of the wounds.

This has been my experience and it echoes what Howard Hill wrote so many years ago.

That is the 1st time I've heard an argument for barbed heads that held any water IMO.
Thanks