Just wanting to know why my Quiet Arrow topic was removed? Was there something wrong with my post?
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Some snowflake complained....and I hit the wrong button...meant to delete his post but deleted the whole thread by mistake. My bad....Sorry.
Here is the reason for the complaint....
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Thanks for the reply. I don't know why someone would complain about that picture. I have never actually killed a animal with a wood arrow. The noise I'm hearing with the carbons sounds like it is smacking the riser on release. I'm shooting a reflex reflex longbow with ff string at 40lb. The arrows I'm using are Beman bowhunter 400s full length with 275 grains up front. The wood arrows are 45-50 spine with 125 grain up front.
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The sound you are hearing is a spine/nock point/ brace hieght issue. ..... Not a shaft material issue. The noise you are hearing could happen with any material of arrow shafts.
You have told us that you had an issue with arrows now tell us more about your bow ....what kind of bow.... ...what brace hieght....what nock point level are you shooting exedra...
The bow is a Old Mountain Mesa longbow from 3 rivers. The brace height is set at 7.25in and I haven't checked the nock point as they set it up at 3 rivers.
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Need to tune nock height and check brace and nock height before every shooting session. Strings stretch and things shift.
Provide a little more information if you would. Drawn length, poundage at that draw.
I have the same bow at 45# @28" and I pull 29+ so about 49#'s for me. I'm shooting 400's at 30.5" and about 200 grains up front and I'm a little stiff.
Shooting 3 under? Split finger?
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I saw that thread last night, and I didn't see any reason for a complaint. Looked like Terry was pointing out that carbons are worthy.....with an explanation on why. Not sure what kind of person would jump the shark on that, unless they are one of the folks that never kill anything. I'll bet I'm right on the later.
I agree. What I saw was Terry trying to help by providing PROOF and not just 'hearsay' like a lot of folks. Real hard core proof. Sad people jump while others try and help. Thanks T!
I shoot 3 under and pull 27.75in. I have tried shooting split finger and don't seem to be as loud. I'm no where as accurate shooting split finger.
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Quote from: gesthuntn on January 31, 2020, 06:24:30 AM
I shoot 3 under and pull 27.75in. I have tried shooting split finger and don't seem to be as loud. I'm no where as accurate shooting split finger.
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Three under can get pretty quiet if you set it up right. What bow you running? I typically start my nock height at 1/2 inch for 3 under and that is usually right on the money. Brace height can be key to quiet as well. Start at lowest recommended and twist up until shooting sweet and quiet.
Quote from: Terry Green on January 30, 2020, 08:26:19 PM
Some snowflake complained....
Why would a snowflake even hang out here? :dunno:
Good question, Captian Kirk.......good question.
The arrow on the 2nd level is wood (dead center of pic, yes the pig broke it)....all others are carbon.....
Just wanted to make that clear. It seems that there are so many haters out there that I can't even comment to try to help another fellow hunter without getting bombarded by some people.
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So what was the objection? Two nice mounts and a rack full of retired arrows? What's not to like about that?
Gesthuntn....did you get your issue sorted out? If not try raising your brace hieght 3/8ths inch and see what happens.
I will try to raise the brace height and try. I think the arrows are just to stiff.
Are they kicking left at all?
Are you shooting glove or tab? I shoot a tab and I like it a little longer and if I don't make a good release I hear the string hit my tab.
When they come out of the bow they are kicking left. I shoot a glove.
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Yep....the nock end is hitting the riser....arrow material is not the cause.... it's the spine.
I have had trouble trying to tune carbons out of my Northern Mist bows, GT 500's and 400's shooting full length down to 28" which doesn't leave me room for a broad head as it will hit the front of my riser. I have shot 125 grain tips up to 250 tips. I could get ok flight and no noise from full length 400's, my brace height runs right around 6 3/4" depending on the bow model. My bows vary from 48 pounds to 54 pounds, I purchased a test kit from Surewood Shafts and settled on 60-65 spine with a 9 1/2" back taper shooting 225 up front, I have recently switched to 160 grain tips and am still getting good flight, the wood shafts do seem quieter, but may just be the nature of the material. I think part of my issue was with how the riser is cut and trying to get the shafts around it as quiet as possible. I also shoot split finger with a glove with these bows. I tried shooting 3 under like with me recurves, but just seemed to have more tuning issues, which again I thing goes back to how my riser is cut. Good luck in your quest!!
Jason
Terry, I think you should write a book about all the kills those arrows have made in your spare time!!!! That's awesome!!
Terry is right on the money. Arrow is too stiff. I am shooting bows in the 43#-50# range at a 27.75" draw length and ended up shooting a .500 spine arrow at 29" to the back of the point with 3-4" parabolic feathers. I use 250 grains up front with a standard aluminum insert and these bare shaft great. Finished arrow weight comes in at 480 grains up to over 600 grains depending on the brand of arrow shaft.
With carbon shafts, I have found that the length of the shaft is more critical than the amount of weight on the business end. I have some .500s that are cut to 28.5" to bop and with a 250 grain head, I needed to go to a 100 grain brass insert to get good bare shaft flight with my 45# longbow. With the same shaft/point and a standard insert a bare shaft shoots stiff and is noticeably noisier on release. Leaving the shaft just a half inch of shaft quiets things down and gives great flight.
Play around with length and point/insert weight a bit until you come up with what works best for you. If I was hunting pigs I'd choose my heavier arrow/insert combination which comes out right at 13 grains per pound. For 3D, whitetail and turkey the lighter set up comes in at around 10.5 grains per pound.
Figuring this stuff out can be frustrating, but once you get a handle on it, it's part of the fun! Having the right arrow and broadhead (or field point) configuration that flies true gives you a lot of confidence in your shot, whether it's a 3D target or an animal. Good luck!
Jason, those are some of my special arrows... not all of my special arrows mind you ....as some of them went off into the oblivion in the thick stuff I hunt a lot.
I saved thos due to the animal, the difficulty of the shot, where I was at or who I was with. They are all tagged and definitely have a story behind them.
Did raising your brace help?....
I was hoping to hear back to see if that helped so that we can all learn something......
I'm also found that by making sure that you're nock point is set so the top of the nock point is at 3/8ths and you nock over is a great knock point place for just about any bow.
Did you get your arrows queit???