What broadhead is this?

[Shaun]

Recently purchased a set of arrows from the well known auction site. Do you know this broadhead? Spun aluminum ferrel, alum rivet near the tip, 3 1/4" long, 1 1/16 wide, no other markings.  

[K.S.TRAPPER]

Looks like the old old Howard Hills to me.I have a book at home that might help unless someone else knows.

Tracy

[SteveMcD]

Yup.. It's a Howard Hill

[W.Tim]

a howard hill BROADHEAD for sure

[Charlie Lamb]

Well, I'll keep an eye on this one. I proclaimed it "not" a Howard Hill when Shaun showed me the head in person. I still think it isn't... but would love to be proved wrong.

[SlowBowinMO]

I don't think it's a Hill either, I've seen them before but can't remember.  Maybe a collecter guy will chime in here and help us out.

[K.S.TRAPPER]

I know Charlie,It looks like the older models I think and it has the aluminum ferrel but I am not sure.Seems like there was a look alike out there but I don't remember.Interesting    

Tracy

[Charlie Lamb]

Tracy... the Hill "style" was pretty popular and there were a bunch of 3to1 heads manufactured at times.

Except for his very early heads, I suspect most of the manufactured heads for Howard had his name on them.

[robtattoo]

Falk? Where are ya?

[K.S.TRAPPER]

Seems like I have a picture somewhere of him holding an arrow with that same broadhead on it.Not the new style you can buy now.

I am sure you are right Charlie,Thanks.
I sure am curious though.

Tracy

[sticshooter]

Looks like a hill. But If I was a bettingman i would say no.JMO and I have been known to lose a few bets in the old days.<><

[Falk]

Oooops?!?

I just posted a reply to this one in the  Trad History / Collecting Forum !

But I can say it here again of course:
That's a Crestwood "Sabre" and it should in fact have SABRE stamped on one side of the blade - in front of the ferrule; made since 1956.

Glad I could help    
Falk

[K.S.TRAPPER]

Thanks Falk,Saved me some looking when I get home from work.    

Tracy

[Falk]

Some "insights" on how I SEE things, like in this case. It just goes as follows:

Ah, a Crestwood Sabre - nice! Why not a Hill like anyone said?  Well -
1) because almost ALL Hill bhds have a CAST alum ferrule.
2) most barbed Hill or Pearson/Hill bhds have a crimped ferrule tip and no rivet.
3) blade silhouette in Hill bhds has convex tip and concave edge
4) I have two different Sabre in my collection  

Here is a picture of different barbed bhds, with Crestwood Sabres at 3 and 5 o'clock and a barbed Hill bhd at six o'clock position:
 

[Charlie Lamb]

Falk... thanks for setting the record straight. Here's a bit of useless trivia for you.

The broadhead at the 11 o'clock position... Back in the late 70's early 80's (memory fails me) I had a friend who was vice pres. of Sales and Marketing for a large aluminum arrow shaft Mfg.

At the time I was playing with all kinds of designs of broadheads to reduce wounding loss when hunting rock chucks in the mountains.

The two criteria for the design were it had to open a big hole (multiblade) and it had to be cheap enough that you could "chuck it" when it was ruined while shooting in the rocks.

He never even said thank you for the design.

Don't ask about aluminum arrows with wood grain pattern.  

[Shaun]

Thanks Falk, I was told you'd have the last word on these. I am planning to shoot them unless this is sacralidge to collectors. The arrows have natural turkey shield cut fletching and the plastic speed type nocks have inticator ridges, cresting is large scale hand brushed - not the modern fine line stuff. I'll look closer to see if there is marking on the blade as you indicated. Thanks again.

[Falk]

posted by Charlie:
... useless trivia for you.

Charlie, there is nothing useless but it is very interesting indeed! So it was YOU!?      
But then I've to apologize for several cases when I told others, the "man with the broad smile" had the idea ... as the name of the bhd would indicate as well.   :rolleyes:  

BTW: I think it was the first comercial bhd I ever shot at all - the Mini version - pictured is a Chuck-It Maxi. Shot them just for fun and the kick it gave me, using a "real" arrow ...  :D

And the wooden alum arrow as well?!  Neat idea!     I'll try to keep that one in mind too.
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Shaun,
I would never claim to have the last word - at least not in the public     Yeah, go ahead and use them. They are not worth to much, so don't worry.

Falk

[Charlie Lamb]

Falk... I've got both sizes in my small collection, but never owned a whole set.

As usual I underestimated the cost of manufacture and they weren't as disposable as I'd hoped. My budget wouldn't allow me to use them as intended and my "friend" didn't send me any.

Matter of fact, he stopped talking to me all together after the camo shaft thing. Go figure!  :D

[SteveMcD]

Thanks, Falk.. how that's something. I have seen this one advertized many times on **** as a Howard Hill Broadhead. As a novice broadhead collector going to keep that Collecting forum in mind too!

[Doug S]

Shaun
I dont think you should shoot those. It would be better if you gave them to me to hold for you until they become more valuable.