Trad Bear hunt

[JamesD]

I didn't say most people would be down with that. I am merely pointing out that it can be done without a vaccine and that the entire western world is relaxing requirements on a daily basis. If you guys don't want to give it a shot to book a hunt twelve to twenty-four months out. That's fine. I'll keep enjoying the fine hunting north of the border.  You put a deposit down with Stickflingers, and decide you want to sell it a few months before the trip, you won't have any problem selling it for what you have in it. There enough of us willing to go that the 2023 spots are all almost gone, if not gone already. What's interesting on top of that, is that our guides told us that almost 100% of their clients are from the United States. 

[rastaman]

If you are feeling lucky, there is a thread on here about the Compton Traditional Bowhunters rendezvous raffle. There is a guided spot and stalk black bear hunt on Kodiak Island. You hunt off of Homer Ocean Charters boat. If you don't win you can always set up a hunt with them. No borders to cross...no isolation involved.  Just go and hunt!  Good luck on your quest!

[Jim Wright]

Baylee, I hate to muddy up the water with facts but if the "Socialist Dictator" you mention is Canada's Prime Minister, he was actually voted into his third term in a free and fair election last year and if you really believe Canada's Health Care System is "100% Socialist" you either don't know how their system works or you don't know the definition of socialism.

[GCook]

If you are feeling lucky, there is a thread on here about the Compton Traditional Bowhunters rendezvous raffle. There is a guided spot and stalk black bear hunt on Kodiak Island. You hunt off of Homer Ocean Charters boat. If you don't win you can always set up a hunt with them. No borders to cross...no isolation involved.  Just go and hunt!  Good luck on your quest!

Now that would be a fun hunt.

[JamesD]

That Homer Charters hunt is on my to do list!

[Baylee]

Baylee, I hate to muddy up the water with facts but if the "Socialist Dictator" you mention is Canada's Prime Minister, he was actually voted into his third term in a free and fair election last year and if you really believe Canada's Health Care System is "100% Socialist" you either don't know how their system works or you don't know the definition of socialism.

No one pays for health care but are taxed exorbitantly for the service rather they use it or not, dead beats pay nothing and have the same health care as someone that pays nearly 40% of their income to taxes. Yeah Jim that sounds like socialist medicine to me. And the fact that the current plug was voted in has nothing to do with the fact that he's a socialist. Maybe they should call you Jim Wrong lol? Either way if you like it that you could always much move  there

[JamesD]

Baylee, how does the sharing of opinions concerning Canada's medical and political systems have anything to do with bowhunting? How does insulting the person you're having a conversation with belong on Tradgang either? There's plenty of other forums to have arguments over politics. This is not supposed to be one of them. Yes, certain aspects of politics affect bowhunting. It is harder to get into Canada right now if you are not vaccinated. That will most likely settle down in time and it is a valid discussion to have. That discussion can be had without insults to each other and petty first grade levels of name calling.

[Jim Wright]

Baylee, every group insurance policy in this country whether they are provided by your employer, union, professional organization or however has the same "whether they use it or not" feature. Are all of these "Socialist"? And just out of common courtesy find out what a "Socialist" actually is. You might refrain from referring to the Prime Minister of a friendly, neighboring nation as being one.

[GCook]

James while I agree on the way this thread has gone Canada's vaccine policy actually cost our group money.  We were set up to return with an outfitter after a spring hunt was snowed out for half price.  Had to be within two years.  None of us were willing to get the vaccine and our deposits were forfeit.  Not a lot of money but it hurt us and the outfit involved. 
Anyway the OP got shafted on this thread just trying to find a good domestic outfitter for bear.

[JamesD]

GC, that really stinks on getting shafted. Both for your group and the outfitter.  We bought our hunts to Stickflingers from guys that weren't going for the same reason. Picked up all three of the hunts within our group for almost full price that was paid. I hope Steelhead finds a good hunt that fits him. In a long winded way I have been trying to encourage those who are looking down the road a couple of years not to give up on hunting in Canada. I really do believe that the system will be different in a couple of years. If it isn't, we're going to be in the same boat as your group was, due to half our party not being vaccinated that is planning a trip to Stickflingers in 2024. 

[GCook]

I pretty much determined on our trip the bear hunt wasn't for me so other than the deposit I wasn't hurt. 

[Baylee]

Baylee, every group insurance policy in this country whether they are provided by your employer, union, professional organization or however has the same "whether they use it or not" feature. Are all of these "Socialist"? And just out of common courtesy find out what a "Socialist" actually is. You might refrain from referring to the Prime Minister of a friendly, neighboring nation as being one.

The difference is you have the choice rather you want to pay the insurance company or not in the US. In Canada it's forced by taxes and the government runs it that's socialism.

[Baylee]

Baylee, how does the sharing of opinions concerning Canada's medical and political systems have anything to do with bowhunting? How does insulting the person you're having a conversation with belong on Tradgang either? There's plenty of other forums to have arguments over politics. This is not supposed to be one of them. Yes, certain aspects of politics affect bowhunting. It is harder to get into Canada right now if you are not vaccinated. That will most likely settle down in time and it is a valid discussion to have. That discussion can be had without insults to each other and petty first grade levels of name calling.

If your having trouble keeping up I'll see if I can help. Ol Jim was the first one going on about Canada's government and socialist....he's clueless about both.

[JamesD]

 Baylee, no one is having trouble keeping up. Yes, you weren't the first to bring up politics, which is why I called it out, before you jumped into the discussion. 

[Jim Wright]

  Baylee, I appreciate your concern about my cognitive ability, I'll try even harder to keep up. You state that in America "you have the choice rather you want to pay the insurance company or not in the U.S." There are in fact slightly more than 157,000,000 Americans with an employer provided group health insurance program. They all pay for their GROUP Insurance Program. Again are all these Americans socialists? Are their employers socialists? I suggest again that you look up the definition of Socialism and see what it means.
  I believe there are only a handful of Socialist Countries in the world and Canada ain't one of them, I have worked with quite a few Canadians on projects in the northeastern and midwestern U.S. and never found one who was a socialist. I once stayed a while in Sarnia, Ontario while on a project in St. Clair, MI. I find Canadians friendly and very similar to Americans, they have been our allies in 2 world wars. Did I mention that they are not Socialists and don't have a socialist government?

[JamesD]

I'm giving up on where this thread has gone. Think I'll go outside and let some arrows rip.

[Dave Pagel]

Amen!  We need another hunting season.

D.P.

[Baylee]

  Baylee, I appreciate your concern about my cognitive ability, I'll try even harder to keep up. You state that in America "you have the choice rather you want to pay the insurance company or not in the U.S." There are in fact slightly more than 157,000,000 Americans with an employer provided group health insurance program. They all pay for their GROUP Insurance Program. Again are all these Americans socialists? Are their employers socialists? I suggest again that you look up the definition of Socialism and see what it means.
  I believe there are only a handful of Socialist Countries in the world and Canada ain't one of them, I have worked with quite a few Canadians on projects in the northeastern and midwestern U.S. and never found one who was a socialist. I once stayed a while in Sarnia, Ontario while on a project in St. Clair, MI. I find Canadians friendly and very similar to Americans, they have been our allies in 2 world wars. Did I mention that they are not Socialists and don't have a socialist government?

Did I forget to tell you I don't care what you think?
The government forces your Canadian buddy's to pay for every single person in Canada, that's not a choice. Go stand in line and wait for your appointment in Canada or talk to some that have and then YOU look up socialist medicine and tell me what the difference is. Choice and lack of a choice is the part that has you confused. Let's see if I can help?

America you have a choice
Canada you have no choice

Hope this helps lol

[Kelly]

Motörhead, I don't know about New Mexico but there would be some pretty good spot and stalk bear hunting in western Colorado. If you want to go with a guide I'd suggest Fred Eichler.

SE Alaska would be an awesome deal-many guides up there. Prince of Wales Island would be my choice.

There are options in Wyoming, Utah and Idaho depending on what you want.

All of these have both spring and fall seasons. Fall seasons can be had in Maine and other NE and Eastern states as well as your neighboring state of Arkansas.

[Cool Springer]

Kelly,
Thanks for putting this thread back on track.  Some of these guys are wearing me out!!