I modified my grip now I'm in trouble!

[MnFn]

I'd listen to Arne.

[Alexander Traditional]

That's a pretty bow,hope it's not messed up. I hear they are good bows.

[Wheels2]

I get different tune with ILf by switching grips, so I am not surprised by our change.
Bow grip seems to make or break a bow for me.  In addition to the ILF, I have a Border Covert Hunter that just never seemed to shoot as accurately as the ILF.  I had Sid at Border modify the grip shape to mirror that of an ILF grip.  Now I would be very hard pressed to let it go.

[Kelly]

Yep its certainly not a spine issue at this point. And the shelf has not been touched. I agree it has to be the grip at this point. I'll start shaving on it starting on the sides. That's a great explanation moebow  And for the record, I epoxied over painters tape so this is not permanent at this point.

Question- are thumb ramps always bad? Certainly most bows don't have them but plenty still do. Just curious because I like the feel of them.

Very clearly from your pictures the shelf has changed, lengthened for sure since it now goes all the way to the belly wood of sight handle.

This bow was designed with a very low shelf to grip relation. Just like Fred Bear's grip the Predator TD was designed for it to be shot sort of "off your hand/first finger. Any change like you did changes the pressure point in the grip which changes tiller and brings on more possibilities of torqueing. Simply put this bow was not designed and tillered to be shot the way you have modified it.

[arrow30]

il throw my 1 1/2 cents in here, bow grips are not to be in contact with the whole palm, just a minimal portion should make contact, so the bow is free floating to avoid any torque.

[MnFn]

Good to see you posting Arne!  I've been so busy it hasnt been possible to get over to shoot with you.
However, the tip you gave me over the phone regarding my release was a very good reminder (I am sure you showed me that when you were good enough to critique my shooting a few years ago).

Putting it into practice as best I can.

Glad you helped Snowplow.  I have tried to change grips on a couple of bows, but I didn't achieve what I was hoping for. For me, if I can't shoot the bow the way it is, I'll trade for something I can.