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@ 44lbs what arrow weight would you shoot for??

Started by plentycoupe, November 10, 2019, 08:03:13 AM

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Doug Treat

I shoot 40# and I like 600+ gr. arrows for elk. I've taken 6 elk with light weight bows, heavy arrows and 2 blade BHs. The last I chronoed my setup, it was shooting a 650 gr arrow at 140 FPS.  In my experience, it's not the weight of the bow but the weight of the arrow that gives you reliable penetration on elk.

Dave Bulla

Wow.... I've been basically gone from trad for close to ten years and things have sure changed!  Back then, most guys wanted at least 50 pounds for deer and more for elk.  55 was probably the most popular all around weight but just about everyone who could shoot 60+ did so when stepping up to elk and moose size game.  Of course, carbon arrows with the high FOC was a pretty new thing but it was definitely something guys where experimenting with.  Aquarium tubing, pepper, weed eater line etc had all been used for fillers to add weight.  They had also discovered the concept of extreme FOC but again, the bow weights were never down in the 40's unless the person had some sort of injury or age issue. I'm honestly kinda shocked about so many guys now shooting bows in the low 40's for game the size of elk.  What's behind the change?
Dave


I've come to believe that the keys to shooting well for me are good form, trusting the bow to do all the work, and having the confidence in the bow and myself to remain motionless and relaxed at release until the arrow hits the mark.

lt-m-grow

Quote from: Dave Bulla on November 13, 2019, 05:53:52 AM
Wow.... I've been basically gone from trad for close to ten years and things have sure changed!  Back then, most guys wanted at least 50 pounds for deer and more for elk.  55 was probably the most popular all around weight but just about everyone who could shoot 60+ did so when stepping up to elk and moose size game.  Of course, carbon arrows with the high FOC was a pretty new thing but it was definitely something guys where experimenting with.  Aquarium tubing, pepper, weed eater line etc had all been used for fillers to add weight.  They had also discovered the concept of extreme FOC but again, the bow weights were never down in the 40's unless the person had some sort of injury or age issue. I'm honestly kinda shocked about so many guys now shooting bows in the low 40's for game the size of elk.  What's behind the change?

Old age.

I would never tell somebody what poundage to shoot, but I still believe this is the appropriate answer for me "55 was probably the most popular all around weight but just about everyone who could shoot 60+ did so when stepping up to elk and moose size game. " especially for moose.

Doug Treat

I remember the 80s/90s where you couldn't kill an elk if you weren't shooting 60# or more. That's because back then nobody was talking about the arrow. My experience has told me that if you work on the arrow (BH, arrow flight, EFOC, enough weight, COC, Singe bevel, etc, etc) you can almost use any bow to get the arrow there. For deer, use any old arrow but if you want to bump up to the "occasional" elk, look seriously at you arrow and be ok with how slow it's going.

The-Crow

I have a sweet old Bear Grizzly that I would like to use, 47@28 I'm a 27.25 draw so about 44lbs fo me, this is great information, curious if you were going to build an arrow for 44lbs what arrow, spine, broadhead and insert you would go with to achieve your recommended gpp
If this is to much of a highjack I apologize and will start a new thread
Ryan

Steve Clandinin

Hey Crow,don't think your highjacking at all. Start out at the beginning of this thread and you,ll see there's lots of good info on basically what you will be shooting. As you know there's tons of options on everything with arrows ,points and fletching. The fun thing is for you to find out what you like best.
Quote from Howard Hill.( Whenever he taught someone to shoot) "Son make up your mind right now if you want to target shoot or hunt as theres a world of differance between the two"

plentycoupe

So here is what I got to bareshaft real well and now fletched up they fly so nice.
An Easton axis traditional 500 5mm at 30". 200 grain point with the standard insert, 9" cap rap and 3 5 inch feathers. 513grns total.
Now I need to find a broadhead. Recommendations?

plentycoupe

Quote from: The-Crow on November 13, 2019, 07:50:38 PM
I have a sweet old Bear Grizzly that I would like to use, 47@28 I'm a 27.25 draw so about 44lbs fo me, this is great information, curious if you were going to build an arrow for 44lbs what arrow, spine, broadhead and insert you would go with to achieve your recommended gpp
If this is to much of a highjack I apologize and will start a new thread
Ryan

Not hijacking at all brother.

plentycoupe

Quote from: Dave Bulla on November 13, 2019, 05:53:52 AM
Wow.... I've been basically gone from trad for close to ten years and things have sure changed!  Back then, most guys wanted at least 50 pounds for deer and more for elk.  55 was probably the most popular all around weight but just about everyone who could shoot 60+ did so when stepping up to elk and moose size game.  Of course, carbon arrows with the high FOC was a pretty new thing but it was definitely something guys where experimenting with.  Aquarium tubing, pepper, weed eater line etc had all been used for fillers to add weight.  They had also discovered the concept of extreme FOC but again, the bow weights were never down in the 40's unless the person had some sort of injury or age issue. I'm honestly kinda shocked about so many guys now shooting bows in the low 40's for game the size of elk.  What's behind the change?
I still shoot 50-52 pound limbs as well but kike others have said. With the right arrow the heavy weight isn't needed. I'm shooting lighter right now as with a slight injury to my shoulder this still keeps me shooting!

96ssportsp

Quote from: trad_bowhunter1965 on November 12, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
Try this out hope it will put your mind at ease the hunter name is Corey
https://youtu.be/5QGwfvXDoAg

Rant on........:(

Why in the H**l would you leave a bull lay overnight that you just placed a perfect shot on, and watched go down???? This kind of stuff drives me crazy!!! I like eating elk to well to let it spoil.....Scott Nevil. :)

To the original question........let the bow decide your arrow weight.
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plentycoupe

Quote from: 96ssportsp on November 16, 2019, 02:21:44 PM
Quote from: trad_bowhunter1965 on November 12, 2019, 05:21:51 PM
Try this out hope it will put your mind at ease the hunter name is Corey
https://youtu.be/5QGwfvXDoAg

Rant on........:(

Why in the H**l would you leave a bull lay overnight that you just placed a perfect shot on, and watched go down???? This kind of stuff drives me crazy!!! I like eating elk to well to let it spoil.....Scott Nevil. :)

To the original question........let the bow decide your arrow weight.

What do you mean let the bow decide the arrow weight? I don't understand the approach but it sounds logical!

GCook

A bow can shoot a variety of arrow weight and spines accurately.  Determining which one gives you an acceptable sound, felt shock/vibration, trajectory and penetration characteristics is something different for each bow and archer.

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The-Crow

Quote from: plentycoupe on November 13, 2019, 10:50:27 PM
So here is what I got to bareshaft real well and now fletched up they fly so nice.
An Easton axis traditional 500 5mm at 30". 200 grain point with the standard insert, 9" cap rap and 3 5 inch feathers. 513grns total.
Now I need to find a broadhead. Recommendations?

A hair over 500 seems like a good weight for a hunting arrow, would you add a 50 grain insert and shoot a 150 grain head, seems like there are a lot of 150grain broadheads to choose from

The-Crow

It's hard for me to try stuff out here in Nova Scotia. I have to order in whatever I want to try or do, gets to be expensive I only know 2 other Trad guys within an hour of me and we're all in the same boat.
I read, research, then order from 3 rivers then shipping and exchange on the US dollar is terrible here in Canada right now. So whatever I can soak out of you guys is great help.
I had an arrow that worked out to just over 600 grains but it's slow with terrible trajectory, 500 seems better for speed. I want to shoot out to 20 yards without to much loft.

Wudstix

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The-Crow

Quote from: Wudstix on November 16, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
Personally, I'd look at 10 gpp weight
So a 440 grain arrow? Is that sufficient for shooting whitetails? We get some big deer up here,,, shooting light stresses me out  :biglaugh:

Puma Tom

If you're arrows are flying good 440 is probably enough
I seem to get better penetration with arrows around 550 grains
But with around 50lb bow to
"My health is best in October"

GCook

Quote from: The-Crow on November 16, 2019, 07:57:07 PM
Quote from: Wudstix on November 16, 2019, 07:50:33 PM
Personally, I'd look at 10 gpp weight
So a 440 grain arrow? Is that sufficient for shooting whitetails? We get some big deer up here,,, shooting light stresses me out  :biglaugh:
I shoot through whitetail and pigs with 9.2gpp so yes, 10 is plenty.

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MnFn

Hi Jason,
Double bevel, I like the no longer made Stos, I don't know about single bevel.
I have some cutthroats that people seem to like, but I have not killed anything with them yet.
Gary
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the rifleman

As i said earlier, ive used less than 400 grs at 44# and under w great penetration results--- ribcage whitetails.  At my 27" draw i have no illusions of getting through the shoulder w the bows o shoot.

I did want to add a mid season update--- i have switched to a 516 grain arrow for the sole reason is that it gives me a 17 yard point on, making my aiming under stress a bit simpler.  No messing w crawls or higher anchor points.  I won't shoot past 20 in our tight woods so the set up should be perfect.

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