Blood Clotting products

[chinook907]

Thanks for the thread, it's real timely as I was considering adding quick clot pads to my kit for a remote hunt coming up. Now I am.

[Hud]

The Chinese herbal medication Yunnan Baiyao in capsule form can be taken internally, or externally in some cases. It is used to treat gun shot and knife wounds. My veterinarian recommended it for a dog that was bleeding internally. We do not know how much blood was lost, but it was enough for him to collapse a couple times, a few capsules as prescribed worked for him. After swallowing a capsule he was up and around within a 5 or 10 minutes. It is sold at different stores including Walm**t.  I believe they sell the powder for external bleeding. It probably works like QuickStop powder on animal wounds, very fast. I do not know if Quickstop would be recommended by a doctor.  As with anything with instructions, you should become familiar with the product, before you need it.  The powder I have used on dogs, was applied with light pressure on a wet gauze or cotton ball.  I did not sprinkle it on the bleeding area and expect results. You might Google Yunnan Baiyao (Yunnan Paiyao), and watch the YouTube videos. The following article written by a veternarian, explains some other benefits to Yunnan Baiyao.

https://www.dogcancerblog.com/blog/chinese-herb-for-bleeding-dog-cancers/

[Jered Shofner]

If you are reading this thread, you probably fought like hell to get back into the woods after cardiac problems.  Re-assess your risks and keep hunting!

After the last 18 months on blood thinners, I had to re-access what I carry into the woods.  The most significant risk I have is bleeding out from an accidental cut.  I am no expert, but I have had law enforcement training on trauma care.  There are some really good products out there to bring you home alive.

Look into the Israeli bandage and the North American rescue tourniquet.  The Isreali bandage will handle anything on 90% of your body.   

The tourniquet is for that "oh shi%" moment when you just stabbed yourself in the leg with a broadhead or a severe cut on or near a vein, Do not buy cheaply "made in China" substitutes, get the one produced by North American Rescue. 

Do not be reluctant to use the tourniquet.  The global war on terror has shown us that tourniquets save lives and limbs.  They can be used for hours without losing limbs.  Do your own research.  There are plenty on online sources for training.

Watch the video tutorials and learn to apply these two tools on yourself, one-handed.  The time to learn is not while you or your partner is bleeding. I have also added a pair of $15 cut resistant gloves to my kill kit.

This fall will be my first trip to the elk mountains since my heart stints.  In addition to the bandages, I have added a Garmin In-reach device with an SOS button.  It will stay in my pack when I return to the midwest and hunt whitetails.  I may be 1/2 mile from home and have no cell phone signal.  The SOS button at least gives me a chance to summon help as I deal with the bleeding.

[fnshtr]

What a timely discussion for me. Had 2 stents put in August 2nd and have to go for a follow up Cath on the 22nd.

I'm on eliquis, brilinta and Coreg for now.  Really wanting to chase elk in the Colorado back country next year. I'll definitely want to have a good medical kit with me.

Thanks for starting this thread!

[gregg dudley]

There are standards for all products and the ones that are commonly referred to as governing trauma products are Tactical Combat Casualty Care (TCCC or T Triple C).  There are vast differences in the quality of products.  I am putting together some kits for my vehicles and for hunting/kayaking/etc. and in so doing, I am looking for products endorsed by that standard.  The three most common approved primary tourniquets are CAT, SOFT-T and SOFT-T Wide.  As stated above, 20 years of applications in Iraq/Afghanistan have shown that tourniquets do save lives and can be applied for 4-6 hours without long-term damage to the limb.

I have watched hours and hours of video since taking this class and opinions on what to put in an Individual First Aid Kit (IFAC) vary about as much as they do on which trad bow is the best.  There are some common things though:  TCCC approved tourniquet, HH Bandage or Israeli Bandage, Chest Seals, name brand combat gauze impregnated with kaolin.  From there it gets more variable.

I took the class that I did for work related emergencies in active shooter situations (I'm a school principal), but it has direct application to outdoor recreation.  I wish that I had taken it earlier and recommend it to all of you.

[Don Stokes]

Glad to see this thread. I had three bypasses and a stint done 5 months ago, and hope I can get off the Plavix after a year, like the prescription bottle says. I hadn't even thought about how to compensate for the extra risk until seeing this. Thanks, Pete!

[Doug S]

   Thanks for all the info...  Good reminders. Almost cut my wrist wide open in Alaska bush once. Just missed the artery.