Arrows....oh arrows

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 08:05:32 AM

As much as I want to be a wood arrow shooter, I have found that is not my passion.

After I make a bow, I want to shoot it, I don't want to make a Woody and have to play with that too. The bows give me enough problems. They're worse than my kids.

You guys shooting longbow who need some low spine arrows, what carbons are you shooting? I've always been an aluminum shooter just because they're cheap and the spine range is easy to pick for me.

I currently use a 1816 aluminum's. What's a comparable carbon? I'm scared to buy a bunch that end up being stiff. Nothing's working out on Stu's dynamic spine calculator that I can see,but I could be missing something

Thanks.

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Terry Green · April 10, 2018, 08:47:23 AM

I'm sure someone will chime in I don't know about low spine I shoot kind of heavyweight bows but I can tell you that carbons are no more expensive than aluminum is in the long run ....mark my word carbons are not more expensive in the long run they are much more durable especially if you go with a cross weave designed Arrow

Al Dean · April 10, 2018, 08:55:37 AM

Would have to be a 600 carbon to match a 1816, would probably still seem stiff.. What bow weight and arrow length?

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 09:44:21 AM

I shoot around 50 lbs. But the arrow has to get around a handle so I need weaker arrows. I have been lazy with my handle designs and just been gluing a shelf on a 1" wide handle.

I draw somewhere between 28-29 so 30 is absolutely minimum.

I'm thinking maybe a 700 spine would work, but I'd like input from anybody with similar setups. 600 looks too stiff dynamically.

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Roy from Pa · April 10, 2018, 09:50:28 AM

I think 700 will be too weak.

For every inch an arrow is longer than 28 inches, it loses 5 pounds in dynamic spine weight...

Rob DiStefano · April 10, 2018, 10:55:27 AM

there are two kinds of shaft spine, static and dynamic. wood, glass and aluminum work well to compare static and dynamic spine values. carbon is a very different shaft medium that has a very wide dynamic spine range that doesn't compare to their static spine values. as a result, they typically have a very wide dynamic spine range.

i use beman ics bowhunter shafts to make up arrows that are 29.5" long for 43 to 53 pound bows, with front end weights of 135 to 255 grains. they all work well - for me. no matter what the final arrow build is, lots will have to do with your release, as the shaft's flight can too easily be affected by a poor release, which is a reason for large helical feather steerage.

Al Dean · April 10, 2018, 11:01:33 AM

I have a self bow, no shelf, 47@29. I shoot a 55-60 31" 125 point cedar out of it or a 1916 31" 125 point. 600 carbon 31" 125 point should be more than fine.

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 11:42:38 AM

My 1916s slap the hell out of the riser. Bare shafting I could shoot a deer around a corner.

I'll order a 600 and 700 spine warrior and see how they work out.thanks for the help

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Kingstaken · April 10, 2018, 11:50:34 AM

what weight point are you shooting?

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 12:02:39 PM

Trying for 125-145 but I have an assortment. I just want it to work. I found when I got high like 175-200 gr up front on my 1916 and 500 spine arrows, it's almost like the spine started doing something wierd. I gave up.

I went get a Genesis arrow, and it shot stiff, but there's like no weight up front on those things.

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Al Dean · April 10, 2018, 01:02:27 PM

I would have a tendency to say slapping riser because to weak.

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 01:04:44 PM

I thought that too, but bareshafts are going left like a frisbee.

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Roy from Pa · April 10, 2018, 01:17:33 PM

I make bows heavier that 50 pounds and I make my handles 3/4" wide.
Just a thought.

Al Dean · April 10, 2018, 03:17:48 PM

Possible false stiff reading on bare shaft. If it slaps riser it will throw arrow left (RH shooter).

Rough Run · April 10, 2018, 06:50:38 PM

Don't forget that you can change how your carbons behave (dynamic spine) by adding point weight in the form of 50 or 100 grain inserts, or using the weights that will screw into the back of standard GT inserts, as well as the heavier inserts. That would, possibly, allow you to stay with 125-150gr points while still giving tuning flexibility. I would think 600 spine would work with your bow, by experimenting with that front end weight.

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 09:59:02 PM

So I ordered one each of warrior 600 and 700 to test with. I have some 500 spine arrow Dynamics to play with. Thanks for looking the input guys. I have up to 200gr tips for the carbons so that should give me one flexibility. I'll give an update once I get this guy tuned with a carbon

On another note. What glue do you use for carbon inserts since I can't use hot melt?

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Roy from Pa · April 10, 2018, 10:10:54 PM

The best carbon insert glue I have used is 30-06 insert weld glue.

Like a super glue with a rubber additive.

http://www.lancasterarchery.com/30-06-insert-weld-glue.html?cmp=cel&trigger=ac

Exiled_Archer · April 10, 2018, 11:07:25 PM

Is there a way to release the stuff if I need to? Like to add tip weight or cut the shaft?

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Rough Run · April 11, 2018, 04:46:03 AM

Big Jim's Hot Melt works well. He has videos on his Youtube channel demonstrating the use.
I have not damaged any arrows from heating the points to release the insert/weight.

Roy from Pa · April 11, 2018, 07:17:41 AM

Heating the point will release it.