Worst Idea Ever...HUNTING ALERT!!! READ & EMAIL!

[kennym]

Sent them a THANK YOU!!

[Steve Kendrot]

Is there any way we can get a web page with static recap that could be updated daily that would list all of the companies, associations, DNRs etc that are officially for, against and nuetral on this issue? Reading all the copious emails to try to summarize the current state of affairs of find a phone number takes close to an hour if you only check in once a day.

Vmonster...your quite the activist. I'm impressed with the response you've motivated. I have some ideas for other organizations that might be approached if this thing appears to approach anything close to reality..

Steve

[Ray Hammond]

fellas, I think we have to go to the big boys- Ford, Dodge, Chevy, Anheuser Busch, Miller, and Budweiser.

What are your thoughts?

[aussiebowhunter]

u blokes have done the best work against this WHA   ..ive posted ur poll and links to our aussie forums...we are with u guys.

we have also been emailing to the sponsors that were with them,and now we see they have all left,so have also sent thanku s

keep up the fight

pat
australia

[bayoulongbowman]

What Red neck thought of this BS...man! marco#78              

[Terry Green]

YES RAY!!!!!!!

[vermonster13]

Merlin USA and Pinwheel products will be releasing statements against this Monday.

I am going to be posting a new thread real soon. I want this one to keep working as it is, but there are some things that need to be shared and need to be seen.

[vermonster13]

One of the WHA's hunters guides for this outfit.

Brett Hankins

http://www.midwestgiantsoutfitters.com/About_us.html

[Texasrecurve]

I sent them an email making sure they knew one of their guides was slated to participate in a reality TV show tranquilizing deer behind a high fence for money and exciting prizes.

TR

[SteveB]

Good catch David.
I am sure midwest knows - another one of their guides, Mitch Haroldson, is "big country" and is one of the few actively defending this elsewhere.
Was wondering why until I see they both work for the same outfit.

Steve

[SteveB]

Just checked the contact info for midwest - and surprise!!!! Mitch Haroldson is the email and phone contact - and about the only defender of Brent!

Steve

[vermonster13]

We also really need to turn the heat on, on the bow makers!

[flrecurve]

Will i didn't read all 32 pages but isn't this no different than bass fishing and  tournaments and biggest fish wins?

I don't personally see this  being  the ultimate end of  bow hunting or hunting in general. Man has always been competiting  between each other.

I also would like to include; I have no interest in the WHA

[JasonV]

flrecurve - I've seen the same question posed elsehwere and I think if you look into it more in depth, you'll answer your own question.


Hunting is not catch and release, even suggesting that it is cheapens the sport and adds fuel to the antis... they've been suggesting for years that we use animals as nothing more than moving targets for our own entertainment - now this jackass wants to prove them right.

The commercialism alone turns my stomach - I posted this before but I'll cut and paste:
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I think its been stated many times before, but it bears repeating:
THE WHA ISN'T HUNTING.
Its prostituting our hunting heritage in an attempt to make a few men wealthy.
Just look at the promo video on the WHA website:
The "comissioner" sounds like a pitch-man for professional wrestling. Claiming that he and his obscene b@stardization of hunting are "the future of hunting".
The anti-hunting organizations have claimed for years that we hunters are guilty of using game animals as nothing more than interactive targets - now this joker wants to prove them right!!!!!!

Watch the video: the "hunter" draws on a whitetail then closes his eyes to imagine the piles of cash, the sportscars, the mansion, and the handful of "buck-bimbos" walking toward him across a food-plot as the wind blows their hair back seductively - then he opens his eyes and shoots.
Is there really a single hunter here who doesn't find that very image vile and repulsive? Isn't killing a trophy-class deer in and of itself reward enough?
Have the fee-for-trophy hunting farms so effectively diminished the meaning of a trophy whitetail, that it is now nothing more than a means to an end?

Do we really think we need to attract new hunters with the promise of fame, fortune, and loose women?????? Is THIS what we want them to think hunting is all about?
If this abomination comes to pass, I feel a great sense of loss for all the new "hunters" Mr Fabram brings to the fold. Even if some poor kid from inner-city Detroit becomes his next deer-darting superstar, complete with fame, fortune, and women - the poor kid will never know the true exhileration of real hunting. He's the one who will really lose in the long run.

Am I bashing fellow hunters?
Nope.
These guys may have hunted before - but the WHA isn't hunting - and no true hunter would ever prositute his hunting heritage for something as worthless as handfuls of money.
They aren't hunters.
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Obviously everyone is entitled to their own opinion on this thing, but I think if any hunter really looks into this and evaluates it critically, they'll realize that this could never benefit hunting and could potentially (I think almost certainly) do alot of harm....

[vermonster13]

Also bass and deer have much different nervous systems. Bass and other fish are used to spiny prey. It has been proven they don't feel pain, their reaction to stimuli is pretty much fight or flight, not a pain reaction.

Now they want to give these "hunters" tranquilizers, turn hunting into a living 3D tournament. The shots that are most effective are hind-quarter and meaty area shots. This will be represented as hunting to their target audience of nonhunters. How often have you seen children emulate the WWF or other entertainment? Do we want  them doing the same with broadheads? These drugs won't be available to the common hunter, yet it will be represented as hunting to these newbies they want to draw into the sport.

The antis will be shown by "some of the best hunters in the world" that hunting is all about the trophy. Dart them, score them. take a few pictures then revive them and send them on their way. Their is no conservation, wildlife management or respect for the animals. they only exist to feed the hunters ego. So why do we even need real hunting anymore? The fact that only the very wealthy will ever have this opportunity only helps in decreasing hunter recruitment and retainment.

Think on this for a while, if you need more reasons why this shouldn't happen, feel free to ask.

[Timberghost]

Preach it Brother Jason!  Preach it! Can we get a witness???!!          

[Don Thomas]

Folks following this thread will be interested to know that at our Board meeting this weekend, the Montana Bowhunters Association voted to add its voice in oppositiion to World Hunt. A message representing over 800 Montana bwohunters has been added to the list. Thanks to all, Don

[vermonster13]

Has anyone heard from Bear, Bowtech, Hoyt, Martin or PSE yet? We need these companies to commit one way or the other on this. If you have heard please let me know. Otherwise we need to turn the heat up on these folks.

[holadude]

It's not about if the Anti's have a problem or not because they will not like hunting no matter how you present it, and you won't sway them just as they won't sway you.  The problem with this is the Joe-Public indifferent non-hunter can be swayed.  Someone, who doesn't mind hunters even though they don't personally do it, sees this crap, and suddenly they lean toward being against hunting.  That could be the difference in the future as rules and regulations are determined by our elected officials.  They decide on things just to be popular even if it is not scientifically sound.

[ChuckC]

Don, I read the first few posts and did some checking.  This info may have been posted already and I missed it, sorry.

These are animal drugs, they are regulated by the FDA, and others.  There is / are currently NO APPROVED tranquilizers for deer, captive or oterwise.  Any use of tranquilizers for deer would come under the AMDUCA (Act) which was meant to allow veterinarians the ability to prescribe and use medications (for animals) that are not approved for a particular use, since, in many cases there are not ANY approved for particular use in certain animals.    

Hunting use would not fall under the AMDUCA criteria.  

Technically speaking, using the drugs for hunting is illegal on the federal level, even with a veterinarian's prescription.  

Not certain FDA would jump into this and get involved, but it is an illegal use of the drugs.
Chuck