HH bug got me ... Part One!

[ChrisM]

Tomorrow morning I will be off to shoot my first 3-d with my Hill. Hopefully it will go well.

[petertschantz]

Originally posted by D Sheffey:
I got that Wesley from Mudd last night and I think every shaft I've got is toooo stiff.  I was going to fire up Stu's calculator but what do I put on the center shot measurement?

Dan

I'm sure there will be more experience replies, but a quick measurement last night figured right at 1/4" from center on my Big-5.

Good Luck

Pete

[Nate Steen .]

Due to an earlier post about Schulz' video...it got me thinkin'..

I've got an extra vhs cassette of his video...if it would help guys out,  I'd be glad to ship it wherever for a month rental, just pay the 5.oo postal fee.

Does anyone still own a vhs player?  :confused:

[Dick in Seattle]

Re riser weight...   I've played a lot with that, since I'm a wood junkie and put as much effort into the selection of wood for looks as I do the bow       Rob's right that there isn't mass enough for a tremendous difference, but you can sure feel the difference there is.   I've gone from the light end, bamboo and cherry risers, to katalox and Argentine Mesquite (not related to the US variety).  These latter are right close to ebony.    

Bamboozle and Cherry Pie are barely a pound.  Arakhor, with the Arg. Mesquite, is 24 oz.

Just for kicks, I went down and weighed a bunch of bows, unless noted, all are 66":

Bamboozle, laminated bamboo riser - 17.5 oz
Arakhor, Arg. Mesquite - 24 oz
Cherry Pie, cherry riser and limbs - 16 oz.
Hill Robin Hood, Texas Ebony riser - 20 oz.
Hill Big Five by Craig, cocobolo riser - 19 oz.  (68" bow)
Kramer Big Five, very slim 36#, walnut riser - 15 oz.
Howard's Golden Eagle, myrtle or maple - 22 oz. (68" bow)

So, you can definitely get an extra  6 or 7 oz. from the riser, and you definitely can feel it in handling the bow.   I wish I still had Smoke on hand to weigh.   I used a laminated katalox riser on that one and it really had a nice feel in the hand.

Cutout on Hills seems to run 3/16" to 1/4", but be careful, you'd be amazed how much difference the thickness of the leather makes!  One reason I often just shoot off the wood.

RE arrows, I keep a set of Easton alum sizes from 1213 through 1916 bare shafts ready to shoot.   (plus a few odd heavier ones I've picked up along the way in case someone who shoots heavier comes by).   Just see which one shoots best, try it fletched, then make up a set, or, if wood is wanted, use wood of the same spine.   Been using that set of bare shafts for years now.   Great investment if you have a lot of bows coming and going.

[Rob DiStefano]

dick's made some good points.  

imho, it still boils down to bow & limb design, arrow mass weight, and how you shoot the bow (form).  dense woods transmit vibrations far more readily than less dense woods.  some woods augment the hi-freq vibes, and some woods the low end.  none of this will matter much IF you shoot arrows of proper mass weight, where the majority of the transmission energy (bowstring) gets passed on to the missile (arrow).  wasted, unused energy that overflow the missile's gas tank go to the limbs, to the riser, to yer bow hand.  form matters here, too - a tight death grip on the bow handle, with increased hand/riser surface area, increases the transfer of wasted energy from the engine (bow) to the shooter (you).  so, with most any hill bow design, shoot appropriate mass weight arrows (10gpp is a good start) and avoid the death grip.  ymmv.  

[3Under]

Just stick a bow quiver with 5 (550) grain arrows and forget about riser weight! (I know, wash out my mouth with soap!)

At least Rik agrees with me!!
Great moose photo Rik! "That's my dream hunt".

Ran into a a nice young bull (not literally) while dirt bikin' south of Pocatello near near Scout Mtn. couple of years ago. It got the old man a little excited    . Will be back first part of June 2011.

[David Mitchell]

Larry, Larry, Larry...wha'sa matta wid ya'???  A bow quiver on a Hill???          

[2treks]

Let try this...
I shoot at least a 31.5" arrow with 5" feathers on it.
How long should my bonfide Hill Style quiver be?
Thanks.
Chuck

[MikeM]

My arrows measure 32.75" from the tip of the broadhead to the tip of the nock. The Hill style quiver that Nate at Sunset Hill made for me is 25.5" deep.

[MT Longbow]

Oh NO!!! couldent TAKE IT ... Just ordered from Craig a 70 inch Wesley Special 5 lam Boo,  with African Ebony riser, white Ivory Tips on Black glass on the back, and clear on the belly to show the beautiful Boo, Black Elk laced grip and a Black and white B-50 Flemish string with Black serving.


55# at 29 inches....


Im going to call her "The Skunk"


LOL.

[Buckhorn47]

Quote from Dick:
"Cutout on Hills seems to run 3/16" to 1/4", but be careful, you'd be amazed how much difference the thickness of the leather makes! One reason I often just shoot off the wood."

Very true, Dick, took me awhile to realize that, although I don't use the bare wood, I do use the thinnest leather I can find - it really does make a difference.

[MT Longbow]

Does thinning the shelf material make the arrow act weaker or stiffer closer to centershot?  Im using small daimeter Beman MFX Classics...

Oh, I had a dream last night of hunting elk with my just ordered Wesley special.... So this morning I had to get ahold of Craig and ask him for some changes..


Ivory tips to Elk tips and the black and white string to Black and Brown to match the Elk tips..

I think if I ever get another Wesley Ill make it Black Back white belley with Ivory tips and have him label it the "Skunk"

Might have to go sell another gun!!

Its raining here in Montana...so no shooting this am...

[Buckhorn47]

MT I notice little difference in the spine, at least with wooden arrows, however, I shoot 50-55 spine out of two longbows, one a Hill Big Five, and the other a Rocky Mountain Hill style which has a closer to centre rest. Both bows handle these arrows well with thin leather sideplates and shelf covering, however, with  the Big Five I tend to change my grip by sliding my hand around the handle a little more to make both both shoot to the same point. The Rocky Mountain arrows are dead quiet, however I do get a little noise from the Big Five. Both have straight grips.

[MT Longbow]

I just asked Craig  if he could Carmelize the Boo for me on my Wesley Special...hope he doesnt get mad me asking for all theses changes...its just hard to think of it all prior to ordering!!!!


so for my own sake here is the order...Craig if you are reading sorry for all the changes! (at least you haven startred making it yet!)

70" Wesley Special, straight grip,55#@29 inches, Black glass on back, black Elk laced wrap, Elk tip overlays, clear glass on the belly with "carmelized boo and edges"

African Ebony Riser

Inscription will include my name then centered underneath "Wapiti"...is the bows name.  
Im still thinking of te Silver Elk inlay....

Ive killed bull elk with my compound...but thats over now...this I want to be my Wapiti collector!!

[MT Longbow]

Hey Robin Hood longbowmen.......Looking at my HH Robin Hood, i noticed when its unstrung that if I hold it up and look down the length it really looks as though both limbs cant in toward the shelf, not twisting but maybe 1-2 degrees in toward the right hand shelf if looked straight down from either limb tip along the back of the bow. Bow needs to be UNSTRUNG to see deflection.

Is that normal? part of the design of the deflex string follow bows?

all HH Robin Hooders please take a look and see if you see what Im seeing.

Thanks

Patrick

[Joe Subler]

Got an email from Vince at Mohawk bows this week saying my bow order isn't too far from getting started:  62 inch, 1 pc, cocobolo riser, actionboo core with red elm veneers, 53#@27". Can't wait to get it and compare it with the Big 5 I bought from Rob a month or two back!!

Joe

[tradlongbow]

Joe-

I have a Mohawk Classic that I really like to shoot. I had it built with a myrtle dished grip, black glass on the back and white on the belly. It is a super shooting bow, and it looks like a classic D-shaped bow. I'm sure that your going to love it.

I like shooting my Hill and Mohawk

Darren

 

 

[stabow]

I was out chasing turkeys this weekend and missed the postman on Saturday I have a Big 5 sitting at the post office waiting for me.   .....stabow

[Rik]

STABOW-----That Big Five is made to hunt Out West. . . to shoot elk and mule deer and big black bear and. . . well, who knows what else.

You live Back East.

Guess you have an adventure or two ahead of you.

Welcome to the west Man, welcome to the west. . .

[Rob DiStefano]

come home little sheba, come home ...    :(