HH bug got me ... Part One!

[Mudd]

Montauks Thanks for the kind words and an even bigger thank you for the pictures.

It sure looks like you folks had some fun.

Did you manage to hook up with Rob?

God bless,Mudd

Originally posted by Steve Clandinin:
 
.......I thank all who have contributed to this thread and brought back the Lure of the longbow,many knowledgable people who have shared their expertise for the betterment of Hill style bow and wooden arrows ,I applaud you.

X2 Steve!
This thread has been a lot of fun - inspiring to say the least.

[Benny Nganabbarru]

Larry, my two Hills are tillered for 3-under, too. I've shot plenty of standard-tiller bows just fine, so I'm not exactly sure that I can feel the difference, but it does give me a little extra confidence, which goes a long way.

Rob and Steve, it seems to me that it is a most natural part of the human condition to accept whatever's easiest in any undertaking. I'm not immune to that, either. I am certainly a modern fellow, with a far easier life than many who went before, and I enjoy the benefits of instant this and online that, and now that my town has become McKatherine, I find myself going through the drive-through to collect McBreakfast at 0430 before heading-out into the bush to be old-fashioned and hunt using the spot-and-stalk technique - Oh, the shame of this McPractice! But when I do choose to do something the old-fashioned way, a harder way, the satisfaction and pleasure are most rewarding.

[Montauks]

Mudd, we always have a good time at this shoot it's kinda hard not too, there's so much to do...I did run into Rob but I couldn't make it to the meeting time for a shoot with him, but I'm sure we'll meet soon for some arra flinging

Here's my sister in-law serving up some good coffee

Originally posted by Montauks:
  Well I finally got to give my Big 5 (that I got from Mudd...BTW a great guy to deal with)

Yeah...Mudd is a jewel.  Honest as the day is long...and too much fun!
 

[Buckhorn47]

MT

I would try your wooden shafts at 55-60, even 60-65 spine. Experience will be your best indicator, however, I bet you would be pretty close with 55-60. There are sponsors here who I think can supply a test group, if you have no others to try. As to the weight, I would aim for heavier cedars, tapered nock end 11/32" - 5/16", or a heavier material like laminated birch, ramin, hickory. These Hills like heavy arrows. Of course one can try heavier heads to gain weight on the front but in my own experience, I keep the weight up front at 125-150 grains and also shoot 550-600 grain arrows.

[stik&string]

This thread just keeps on getting better! Thank you to everyone again for keeping it going and adding such insightful posts.

[Steve Clandinin]

Ben,You hit the nail on the head LOL. Computers have linked us all and here its such a great cause and all of us get caught up in the McInstant this and that,but it is so nice to go back and emulate the way things use to be.
Robb,you're so right when modern conviences became available how fast us humans took to change for the betterment,BUT isn't it great to sit back and ponder how things were with our ancestors before all the new items became available.I really wonder how much groups of hunters sat around talking of arrow materials and bow efficiencies.LOL.

[Ben Maher]

I love woodies ... and they just go with My Hill bows and back quivers . I like taking the time to make them and enjoy making them for others and showing others how to do so ...
Hoping that the AD's i just bought from Ted at Raptor fly just as well !!!

Still , when a hunt is successful , it just seems that much "more " successful when its with woodies I have created ... but i have been known to be a touch of a romantic lol ....
And woodies don't make as much noise in my back quiver as my trusty ol' 2016's

I like all  makes and sizes of arrows and enjoy shooting them from all of my bows ...
the differences come down to personal preference , availability and time ...


Now back to Hill bows ......

[Raging Water]

Does anyone here have a HH Sirocco? If so, how do you like it. How is the Sting
Ray Grip?

Pictures?

Matt

[MT Longbow]

Ok, I really appreciate you guys and the help and advice you have given me thus far... so my question is when I shoot my Whip I dont get the tail high kick that I get from my HH Robin Hood.

If you have been following my learning experience, Ive finally got the Beman 500 @31 inches MFX Classic to shoot well with 200-250 grain field points up front out of the Whip.
250 seems to be a bit too much FOC with the 75 grain HIT inside,  but 200 grainers work great.

When I take the same arrow with the 200 or 250 up front I still get a kick off the shelf of my HH.

Bow weights are the same (but I know the Whip is faster).

I just cant get the kick to go away with the HH.

Im putting full heel and solid finger (middle pad)  pressure as sunset hill describes, but I just cant seem to figure it out.  

I tried 3 under with my HH and the arrow flew better but I really dont want to have different holds for each different bow...it MUST be how Im shooting the HH???  any thing you think I can try to get rid of the tail high?  ( the reason I care so much is i think with broadheads up front bad things will happen with that much arrow wag.

Thanks for sticking with me and I know typing wha is going on is tough


I might just drive over to Craig E. in Hamilton and have him watch me shoot....

plus I want to order that Wesley Special!!!

Maybe just maybe the old HH is telling me she only wants real wood flying off the shelf????

[Ben Maher]

Mate , maybe they are still just spining too high ?
If you can try some lower # arrows and see how you go . The Whip and Hills are two diferent beasts as the risers are cut very differently in terms of centreshot .

I shoot really weak spined carbons outta my Hills and still have to weigh themup front ... ymmv

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Ben Maher:
... I shoot really weak spined carbons outta my Hills and still have to weigh themup front ... ymmv

exact same for me - really weak carbons with lots of weight up front ... 29.5" beman ics hunter 500's, 350 up front, 585 grains total weight outta 55#.  foc is nearly 30%.

but the opposite for woodies ,,, 29.5" surewood doug fir 45/50#, 125gr up front, 590 grains total weight for the same 55#.  foc is maybe 16%.

once again, yer personal testing is what counts most and there are NO hard 'n' fast rules.  ymmv.  

[Rob DiStefano]

Originally posted by Steve Clandinin:
... BUT isn't it great to sit back and ponder how things were with our ancestors before all the new items became available.I really wonder how much groups of hunters sat around talking of arrow materials and bow efficiencies.LOL.

that's why i shoot longbows and not those other "modern" contraptions.  

[MT Longbow]

Ok guys thanks, I will keep at it, does an arrow shelf cut more to center make the arrow act stiffer? , maybe I just need to go to larger diameter (normal) for the HH.

A question on Brace height...since the manual for my HH says brace at 6"1/2 +- 1/8" what is my allowable range to adjust?  I dont want to hurt the HH RobinHood string follow by trying to brace at 7", will it hurt anything?

what are some of your brace settings and have you seen anything work out of the "normal " range Craig suggests.


Thanks Guys.

Patrick

[Kelly]

I've known Rik for nearly 20 years and he has always shot 3 under!

[tradlongbow]

Hey Gang-

I've been busy with work and school lately, and I haven't had enough time to do anything else. I'll have a few days off this week, so I plan on doing some shooting and maybe some scouting.

I found these pics for sale on *bay, thought you guys would like to see them.

Darren

[SpankyNeal]

Each bow is different so IT has to tell you where it's going to be happy! My experience has been that string follow bows tend to be happier with a lower brace than a standard or reflex profile but YMMV!

[tradlongbow]

Originally posted by Raging Water:
Does anyone here have a HH Sirocco? If so, how do you like it. How is the Sting
Ray Grip?

Pictures?

Matt

Matt-
A friend of mine bought some stingray from BigJim at TBOF shoot. He plans on making an armguard out of it. The feel of the texture was ribbed, may make a good grip.

Darren

[Blueridge]

Judging by the look on Howard's face those boys just might have out shot him.