HH bug got me ... Part One!

[SportHunter]

Great taste in bows Greg, I almost pulled the trigger on both of those. I doubt they will ever hit the market again, enjoy!

[Brianlocal3]

canopy,
Great job on the build. The bow looks fantastic.

[Green]

Nice job there Canopy.  Looking forward to seeing more of your work.

This thread is just got way too many sexy pics in it!

[canopyboy]

Thanks for all the kind comments on my swap bow.  I hope the new owner likes Hill bows (or sends it back if he doesn't.)

I had a great experience Saturday.  I can probably take an hour to tell it, but I'll try to keep it short so people make it to the end.  A friend came over to sight in and practice a little with his new compound bow.  Although he's been a bowhunter for years, I don't think he's gotten out and practiced since moving to VA.  For kicks, I pulled out a fairly nice compound that someone had given me when they went to crossbows.  I've shot it a few times, and it's justt kind of weird shooting that thing.  But I'm starting to digress.

We were shooting at 20 yards.  I figured I should be doing better than 8" groups with sights and a release, so eventually I said to him that if I'm going to shoot like crap, I'd rather at least have fun doing it.  I went inside and got my Hill.  While I had a few 8" groups from that as well, I was in the zone (for me) and starting shooting noticeably tighter groups than he was (and mine were centered on the target with no sights to adjust.)  You better believe I was grinning from ear to ear.  Nothing like stepping it up when it counts!

He seemed fascinated by how quiet it was and mentioned it had a cool factor that his bow couldn't match.  After awhile, he asked to try my bow.  I had him move a little closer.  Now it's 56@29 or thereabouts.  He was struggling at probably around 26" -- shaking and quivering.  "Damn, how do you shoot with no let off?"  "Don't hold it, let er rip."  "Where do I aim it?"  "At the center of the target." "How?" "Just concentrate on the bullseye." He had a couple hit the target, and the rest hit the frame or the backstop.  In hindsight, I probably could have given him some better coaching.

Well, I'll get to the point.  He wouldn't put it down.  He must have shot 50 or 60 arrows before he complained about getting tired.  He was starting to land the majority on the target and come back to a reasonable draw length (he's about 6' tall.)  But more importantly, he asked where he could get one and how much they cost.

And the bug just keeps on going...

[Brad_Gentry]

Got a question... I saw somewhere on here [but can't seem to find it now] where someone was talking about John Shulz's "2/3 rule" (having to do with limb width) and was wondering if somebody could clarify it for me. I thought it was something like, in the first 2/3 of your limb you should lose 1/3 of its width. Is that correct, and if so, would that be measuring from the end of the fade or the center of the handle?

I've always just done a smooth taper from the end of the fade out to the tip, and have been happy with it, but I'm going to be doing another build here in the next couple weeks and thought I might try something different.

If one goes from just a tad over 3/8" at the string grooves to a max width of 1&1/16" that is generally how it works out, but if you really want that limb to speed up add a parabolic core. On another note, I just bought a Hill Razorback for a 16 year old boy.  One I shot years ago was good, I hope this one will be good for him. question- Do I dare to put a padded fast flight on that 1981 bow?  I bought one from Steve McQueen that worked really nice on one of my bows and it has not suffered any ill effects from it. I no longer have his contact info.

[tg2nd]

Originally posted by pavan:
Do I dare to put a padded fast flight on that 1981 bow?  

pavan:
If she has wedged inserts there will be no problem. For sure! No tipp overlays needed for FF!
BUT have a look on the loops: they have to be padded! Better more then less!

[Blaino]

Originally posted by canopyboy:
So, I've made my first Hill style bow (and first glass bow.) Cherry and black locust core lams.  String follow, 44@28.  66", but draws smooth out to almost 30" due to a shorter riser more like Nate used to talk about.  Almost no thump, I'm in love.  Was very hard to let go at the post office this afternoon.  Not sure how I lucked out on this one, but I took lots of measurements so I can try to duplicate.  I have some yew and black glass that I plan to make for myself...

    [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WsUXcIN.
I couldn't resist and had to shoot it through the chrono at the club.  174 ft/s at 10 gpp.  I'm thinking that's decent for this poundage and string follow.  Passed around during Sunday's shoot and the comments generally fell into two columns: (1) how much do you charge? and (2) you really need to put anocking point on this strin

Thanks to everyone on this thread for keeping this bug going strong.  Maybe later I'll post about my experience on
Saturday shooting with a compound guy....

I like it David!    
Since you put it out there.... What does one cost?

[Overspined]

I've heard many times that longbows of any sort can accept FF and a wedge isn't necessary so long as glass is in tact at the string grooves. Does anyone have true experience with and without wedges and using FF?  Any glass longbows bows explode attributed to FF?

[Nala]

Does anyone have a 7 Lakes Hill style?  If so, I'd like to hear your thoughts on it and hopefully see some pics of it.  I haven't seen many other than the blanks that he sells.

Thanks

Nalajr

[canopyboy]

Originally posted by Blaino:
I like it David!      
Since you put it out there.... What does one cost?

Well Blaine, I think I have to make a few more and maybe retire before I can think about selling 'em.  For now I'll leave that to the professionals.  

But then again, I have such fond memories of that liquid corn at the hog hunt that you and I might just be able to work out some sort of barter system.....

[Mudd]

My JD Berry Vixen(Amazon Lady-Born on the 4th of July") 68" 47@28 came with FF string.

She does not sport either limb tip overlays nor  wedges.

I can only say that I love the way she looks, feels, and shoots.





God bless,Mudd

[dougedwards]

I certainly haven't read all of these posts but doesn't the hand shock bother any of you guys?

I will be receiving an Owl tomorrow but hand shock is my only reservation.

Do you just get used to it?

Doug

[JDBerry]

Overspined, I've been using FF since the late 80's, bows with and without wadges, no problem. Wedges just plain look cool. I made a AM. longbow for Mr Mudd (Vixen) his bow has no wedges with FF

[Bob B.]

Doug,

If shooting a bow that is well built and well tillered with an arrow of adequate weight hand shock will be minimal to non existent.  

Bob.

[canopyboy]

Originally posted by Bob B.:
Doug,

If shooting a bow that is well built and well tillered with an arrow of adequate weight hand shock will be minimal to non existent.  

Bob.

Well, I think you have to hold onto these bows and use a little bit of the heel of your hand too.  The tillering (even if done well) is done assuming a different type of grip than you'd have on a recurve/high wrist grip.  I've tried holding them with an open grip and not putting the heel of my hand into it, and even a smooth one starts to thump ya back into line.  Just like a good woman, I'm sure your bow will be fine - once you listen to how it wants to be held.  If you stick with it, it's one of those awesome self-correcting problems.

I can add that if one slips on an icy hill side and jams the tip of a Jerry Hill that has neither the wedge or the overlay, the tip will crack when it hits the ice. A Schulz Hunter with the wedge will crack doing the same thing, but in all fairness the the Schulz did try to break my fall.
 I just got a Hill Razorback in the mail, it is in perfect shape, shoots really nice, it is about the most forgiving bow that I have ever shot, it could use a new string. I will soon have to part with it, because I bought it as a gift. That kid better like it, it is far better than I was expecting.  I could use a recommendation for a padded string maker for this bow, who is good and quick that knows how to make small loop strings for longbows?  I am not supplied or experienced with making anything but b50 strings.

[two4hooking]

Originally posted by dougedwards:
I certainly haven't read all of these posts but doesn't the hand shock bother any of you guys?

I will be receiving an Owl tomorrow but hand shock is my only reservation.

Do you just get used to it?

Doug

Don't forget to leave a slight bend in that bow arm also....these bows need to be shot correctly.

[LimbLover]

Hey guys, new to me "no-namer". You probably saw it on the forums awhile back. I bought it off another member. 70" 75#@28" and it is a really nice bow. Boo laminations. Not sure what the riser is. Slight reflex in the limbs at the tips.

I really love this bow. BTW - I haven't really posted in here much. Hope to do it more.

[David Mitchell]

Good looking bow, LimbLover.