AUCTUAL draw length what an eye opener!!!!!!

[Shawn Leonard]

Ken, you have to pull those shoulders together, even bent over you would gain 2 if not 3"s if you just used back tension and got those shoulder blades squeezed towards each other! Shawn

[adkmountainken]

Shawn,
     yup thats what everyone suggested but i do not want to timker before season as i am shooting well even with "bad" form. i am not short drawing, i have a solid anchor just and extreme bend. it with out a dobut has to be corrected but not with deer season a month away. Ken thornhill has offered to help me and i will graciously take him up on it.

[Night Wing]

Being 4.5" shorter in draw length than you thought you were, it's amazing to me your arrows are tuned to your bow.

[drewsbow]

Brother you are shooting well but I bet if you stand up and be counted you will gain some draw and it shouldn't really be hard to adjust . Drew

[Shawn Leonard]

Arrows are probably tuned cause they are so long, you have 8"s it looks like sticking out from the bow. Ken, I have to agree with Drew, you should be able to change and shooting well in just a couple days. It will not be that hard to adjust and the gains will be great. Shawn

[Terry Green]

If you have proper alignment/back tension/ it matters not if you bend at the waist.  Bending at the waist does not shorten your draw length if you have proper form.  You can bend forward or back, rotate right or left and still have the same draw length if you are properly aligned.

The main problem is your elbow is pointing at 4 O'Clock.  You are muscling the bow and pulling with your instead of your back.

[mrjsl]

I'm a tall guy with a 28" draw too. 6'3" tall. Wear a 46 suit coat, and an 18/35 or 36 shirt. Shot a 30" draw compound.

My son who is 5'10" has more wingspan than me. They measured this in football camp, and he had more wingspan than most of the players taller than him.

So people are made differently.

I got in the habit of drawing to 27" for a while, taking my head to the string, etc. I practice to stay at 28. But even with a real light bow, if I draw to 28.5 it feels awkward, 30" is like putting the string behind my head.

[mcgroundstalker]

So Skipp... What's wrong with a T-Rex Draw Length of 26"?    :p    ... Slow and steady Ken. You'll get there when you are ready.       Get your elbow back and pull through the shot. Squeeze the shoulder blades together. (My 2 cents worth)

... mike ...

[Cyclic-Rivers]

Originally posted by mcgroundstalker:
So Skipp... What's wrong with a T-Rex Draw Length of 26"?     :p     ... Slow and steady Ken. You'll get there when you are ready.        Get your elbow back and pull through the shot. Squeeze the shoulder blades together. (My 2 cents worth)

... mike ...

Mike, we all knew the Waysiah and T Rex Jokes were coming. No offense, but it is funny.
Hope you are well brother!

[Guru]

Originally posted by ron w:
.....Most people look at me and tell me there is no way I can draw 29+". Then they give me an arrow and I anchor, the arrow is almost of the back of the shelf. Everybody is different!!

Ron, Are you saying when you're shooting that you draw over 29"?  Or just saying you are capable of it?

Have you ever video'd yourself shooting?  

Only reason I ask all this is that you say you knew Ken was short drawing by watching him....I've watched you shoot bud, and unless you have done some serious work, I'd bet when shooting and not consiously thinking about it, you don't draw over 23-24" yourself.

This is just an honest critique of what I've seen bud. Not saying this to go against what your saying, just that's it's easy for us(me included) to think we're drawing further than we really do.

Video is an eye opener!

[Cyclic-Rivers]

Originally posted by Guru:
Ron, Are you saying when you're shooting that you draw over 29"?  Or just saying you are capable of it?

Have you ever video'd yourself shooting?  

Only reason I ask all this is that you say you knew Ken was short drawing by watching him....I've watched you shoot bud, and unless you have done some serious work, I'd bet when shooting and not consiously thinking about it, you don't draw over 23-24" yourself.

This is just an honest critique of what I've seen bud. Not saying this to go against what your saying, just that's it's easy for us(me included) to think we're drawing further than we really do.

Video is an eye opener!

Curt,  No disrespect here but Ron does draw back quite far.  Even though I dont know his real draw length he can extend a long arrow.

I know some people have issues getting back to anchor, especially shooting in a group of people.  Target Panic is a REAL phenomenon!

Ron has done considerable work and when he is on, he's on.  When he's having a bad day, well your lucky if he gets 5 inches of draw.

on a side note...

Ken Has been shooting Well! Even though he may not have GREAT form, he has been consistent in his form.

I have never seem myself shoot, I can guarentee, I have areas that I could improve my form also.

This thread is a good reminder that there's always room to improve and a constant analysis  of yourself can help you correct bad habits that slowly creep up.

[pdk25]

One way or another, good luck this season Ken.  Most of us have some form issues that we struggle with.  For me it is more apparent when I rush my shots.  3D shoots seem to bring it out the worst, but I seem to be able to bring it together when target shooting or hunting.  Go figure.

[RedShaft]

thanks for postin the pic and video. i alway enjoy seeing everyones style.
I really dont think you have to mess around with it. if you can stay consistent an shoot with good accuracy dont worry about it. who says this or that is how you have to do it.... just enjoy yourself and get a bow with a weight you want to fit your draw. your arrows tuned and shoot the heck out of it man.

[sawtoothscream]

wow thats a big drop.  im 26.75 in compound and where i anchor for trad i measure 26"

[Guru]

Charlie that's great that Ron has been working hard at it....I meant no disrespect tto him or you bud.  Just an example of what an outsider looking in sees that we don't see from behind the bow ourselves...

Tollgate is where I last saw Ron shoot...

Carry on guys....see ya next weekend!

Ken, after the season is the best time to work on things like this....good luck this year hunting!

[Frenchymanny]

All good stuff!
To illustrate how important form is,here is brother Drew drawing a whooping 30.5" out of his new bow:



Drew is very consistent and an outsider can see him draw exactly the same arra after arra.
I would kill for that power stroke

F-Manny

[drewsbow]

Now if I could just remember to follow through each shot. Drew

[ron w]

Trust me Curt...My draw is over 29". At Tollgate I was in the middle of an extreme battle with target panic....most likely never reached full draw all day. Which is also why I shot a 130 or something like that. I can not shoot a 29" arrow if I do my part correctly. I have know Ken's problem for a while but he is shooting well, I kept my mouth shout till he asked out right. I shot with Ken and Charlie this afternoon and we all had our moments...some good ....some bad, but we had fun at the same time!      

[Frenchymanny]

Ron, fun is the essence of the game! Hope to stumpshoot with you soon

F-Manny

[ron w]

Manny, Ken says your come'n down to hunt the Mountain.........I'll see you then!