Info on these 2 take downs?

[muddyIA]

This first one my Dad always called "Black Beauty", it has 2 sets of limbs.
 
 
 

This other one I've heard random stories, nothing too solid.  It says Carroll's on one limb and Lewis on the other
 
 
 

[muddyIA]

[TonyW]

http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=14&t=005477

[muddyIA]

Thanks that was very helpful