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Title: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: Bowsey Wails on July 25, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
Here's a 38 special with a star washer, 3/16 rivet and washer. Weighs 95 grains.

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/bowseywails/HPIM0105a.jpg)

The 5/16 brass washers weigh 5 gr each. They will stack inside the casing to add weight. I've also found that the casing can be driven over an 11/32 field point to really up the weight.

Tim
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: the Ferret on July 25, 2007, 08:47:00 AM
Great idea  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Stone Knife on July 25, 2007, 08:49:00 AM
Nice!
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Post by: ishiwannabe on July 25, 2007, 10:38:00 AM
Hmmmm looks like some nice bunny busting workmanship there. Nice work.
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Post by: SCATTERSHOT on July 25, 2007, 10:52:00 AM
Thanks for sharing that tip...(no pun intended) looks great.
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Post by: defiant on July 25, 2007, 11:14:00 AM
YES!   :clapper:  Great idea and cheap, thanks.
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Post by: Bowsey Wails on July 25, 2007, 11:32:00 AM
Using the rivet pictured earlier and 6 brass washers, 125 grains seems to be about maximum. The arrow on top has 3 washers in the tip, between the head of the rivet and the steel washer. There are 3 washers in the casing; this allows room for 7/8" of arrowshaft.

The lower arrow has 2 washers in the tip and 4 washers inside, allowing just under 7/8" for shaft.

(http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/bowseywails/HPIM0108a.jpg)

Sorry about the image quality.

Tim
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: Bard1 on July 25, 2007, 11:45:00 AM
looks simple enough and cheep.  But for those of us who have never used a rivet...how do you put it all together?  would you do a build along step by step?  I'd really like to try making some of these. Thanks
Derek
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: kyle on July 25, 2007, 02:31:00 PM
What, nobody use nutters 'round here no more?
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Post by: adeeden on July 25, 2007, 04:06:00 PM
Kyle I like the nutters! But I mount them on brass like above. I use 8/32 wingnuts and the old rivet! Works very well for me.
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Post by: the Ferret on July 25, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Bard you could use a wood screw I imagine, just need to drill a hole in the bottom of the casing and a pilot hole in the end of the shaft.

Hi Kyle..long time no see   :wavey:
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Post by: kyle on July 25, 2007, 04:27:00 PM
kep nuts....that's the ticket.  Them's the little nuts with the star washer already fixed to em. screw 'em on and go wit 'em.  

Not trying to hijack yer thread, yer points look pretty slick too Bowsey.

Hey Ferret, I've been so busy with work that I ain't even shot a bow nor broke rocks seriously for 'bout a year now.  Stinks sometimes bein' the big boss, but the pay ain't too bad.
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: the Ferret on July 25, 2007, 04:44:00 PM
Kyle, please email me. I pm'd you but it came back undeliverable
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: Bowsey Wails on July 26, 2007, 08:16:00 AM
Bard1, I need to learn the photography portion better before I attempt a photographic build along.

You will need a hand rivet tool, available at any hardware store, some rivets, and washers. I used a 3/16 wide by 1/4 long aluminum rivet.

With the rivet in the tool I placed 3 brass washers on the rivet, then a larger diameter washer (to better cover/hold the starwasher), then the starwasher, and then the shell casing*.
Squeeze the tool a couple of times and these pieces are one, the excess nail removed from the rivet.


*Tap the primer out of the casing and then drill a 1/8 or 3/16 diameter hole, depending upon the rivets diameter.

I then dropped 3 brass washers into the shell casing for added weight, making certain the were laying down. Hot melt the casing to the arrow being careful to not upset the brass washers.

This made a 125 grain head. Different materials will give you a heavier head. I used what I had on hand.

These fly great and they are real Lawn Rippers.

Tim
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Post by: Aeronut on July 26, 2007, 10:13:00 AM
That's about the simplest set up for a .38 blunt I've seen.  Great idea.  I've probably got 1000-2000 .38 cases and some of them will be converted.

Dennis
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Post by: Jim Harris on July 26, 2007, 10:43:00 AM
I am going to make some of these to try on cottontails. Looks like they should do the trick.
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Post by: TRADITIONAL ONLY on July 26, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
SHARP!   :thumbsup:
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Post by: VA Bowbender on July 26, 2007, 05:20:00 PM
Very nice.  Here's my version.  It's part Judo and part Hex Head.
 (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h21/VAbowbender/Hunting/OpenShotpictures036.jpg)

 (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h21/VAbowbender/Hunting/OpenShotpictures035.jpg)

Made from .357 casing, pop rivet and a 1" square of banding.
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Post by: flinch on July 27, 2007, 12:03:00 AM
Both of those look like they would really get the job done and are very durable.  Thanks to both of you.  I think I am going to make some with some round sheet metal washers also.   The riveting idea is cool.   Thanks again.
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: draco on July 27, 2007, 11:18:00 PM
(http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x263/draco044/archery001.jpg)These are some points I've made and used thru the years.They all work well,and are really cheap and easy to build.
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Post by: Jarrod Feiner on July 27, 2007, 11:21:00 PM
That is a great idea. Thanks for sharing it.
JArrod
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Post by: pintail_drake2004 on July 28, 2007, 02:29:00 PM
draco, what kind of wire is that on the 2nd one? and are those nutters
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Post by: rweber on July 29, 2007, 12:23:00 AM
great work,
back in the 70's and 80's Vic Boyer had great uses for the 38 case, my favorite is cut it with a hacksaw down to the shaft and glue in the replacement broadhead blades ('bleeder blades') and you have a top notch small game broadhead, add a washer behind the blade and you have a great turkey stopper.

very well done Bowsey.
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Post by: sticshooter on July 29, 2007, 03:14:00 PM
Now thats just down right cool.<><
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Post by: Bowspirit on July 29, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
Draco, seems like you could cut down on work by replacing the washer on the left head with a simple tee nut...
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Post by: draco on July 29, 2007, 11:20:00 PM
The wire I use is stainless steel leader wire, normally sold at saltwater fishing shops. I forget what size, I`ve been cutting off the same spool for years. I forgot to mention that the point with the wire has a roofing washer off of a Tek screw with a rubber washer on it. You put the wires in on both sides of the bolt, tighten down then bend out to 90 degrees. It is the best point of the three,hard to lose and cuts too. It`s the only point that kills blue quail reliably with body shots. Man they are one tough bird.This point weighs 148 grains, the one on the right 128,and the one onthe left 190. I`ve made only the one in the middle for years now,as it is the best by far.
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Post by: draco on July 29, 2007, 11:38:00 PM
I don`t know what nutters are,I`ve always known them as wingnuts. If you can get the brass free these points only cost about a dime to make.
Title: Re: Cheap "judo" point
Post by: Bowspirit on July 30, 2007, 12:17:00 AM
Nutters are hex nuts, or arrows tipped with hex nuts...