Hello out there. Today when i was at the hardware store devising a way to make a three piece take down without buying the washers and insert thingy from Binghams but still use the same concept. ( i will show you guys and galls the final picks of them, heck i might even do a build along for them)
Any who as I was walking by the nails I noticed the masonary nails and thought I bet I can make a trade point from one of those so picked some up. Have any of you ever made a trade point from these? I will show some pics of these too unless they turn, out well realy bad.
I wanna see!
Will be interesting to see as they have a very hard temper.
I AM GONNA BEAT EM LIKE THEY OWE ME MONEY :knothead:
Never tried them as a trade point, but I have hafted them on as field points. (Hint: If you have one, take a little electronic pocket balance with you and sort through the bin to get the weights you want.)
I sized em up pretty close and I have an old tip scale or whatever you want to call it that I can measure them right down to the grain. I wil let you know how they turn out.
Don't know about trade points but they make good scrapers, gouges and carving tools.
You should anneal(sp)(heat ti cherry red and let them slowly cool) them first before you hammer them then temper them again after shaping and putting an edge on them. You probably won't get very far just pounding the heck out of them. Pat
Killer B,
In your first post, you said you were looking for "inserty things and washers". I didn't have any luck with beveled washers, but you can see what I did on my El Cheapo Build-along. You can get the inserty thingies for about $1.05 from Lowes in brass, and I found the proper beveled flat cap screws from a specialty bolt/hardware store here in Augusta for 0.50 each - oh, and also able to get the guide pins for a quarter a piece. Could not find the bolts at Lowes or HomeDepot though. I made my limbmounts like a ChekMate, with the bolts flush in phenolic. I like the look and they haven't blown up yet! The threaded inserts are a little different, with thin self tapping threads. I drilled the hole the size of the insert body, then I back bored a little larger the first 1/8" or so to help the threads bite. My build along describes how to use a bolt, nut and rachet to drive them in. I used the drill through method with an overlay versus the Bingham drill jig. Here's a few photos, plus you can do a PowWow search for El Cheapo to find the build along. As to beating points out of masonry nails...you're on your own!
Here's driving it into the riser:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/SOS_321/insertinsert.jpg)
Finished insert and pin:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/SOS_321/riserinsertslimbs.jpg)
Finished limbmount:
(http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j87/SOS_321/lblimbmount.jpg)
SOS, I like the phenolic idea but i am going to countersink the heads of some lag bolts for washers i think they were like 48 cents a piece at lowes and the contersink bit was about 5 dollars, and I can use it until I wear it out. The camera and I are headed to the shed saturday or maybe sunday hopefully both days but we will see what my better half has for me to do. :banghead:
KB,
From your description...I don't have a clue as to what you are planning. Thank goodness for digital cameras, will be interesting to see what you are inventing for us to try!
Maybe I'm an idiot, but it did not seem like your standard store bought countersink had the same angle as the flat cap screws. I had to play around with the 1/2" countersink and back bore with some big drills to get the bolt to sit deep enough with a good bearing surface on the phenolic. Good luck.
Steve
SOS my attempt at makeing the insert thingy's is failing misserably What i planned on using was the heads of some lag bolts. I even heated them them with a homemade bellows i made from some pipe a trash bag and a square fan i'll show picks of that too you guys will get a kik out it. Any way they are just so hard I cannot get the countersink to go into them. Plus it's been about 100 degrees give or take a few for about two weeks now. Way to hot to spend time in my shed right now. However the masonary heads have turned out well though. I need to get the arrows finished so I can show everybody.
WUPS two differant pages in 1, love both ideas. And they sound solid!
One mans quest gone astray, leads to the point :readit:
Brent
OH by the way KILLER B I have some in the shop Nails that is. I'll send for free. Hate to see yours abused :readit: :jumper:
Brent
Thats pretty funny but. Soon I will get some pics on here and show how they turned out pretty good i'd say I was shooting one I finished fletching this morning and was impressed how well it was flying.
It is and was a super idea!! And I'm not kidding :thumbsup: The mother of invention is only seeing something no one else did. Thanks for sharing it, and I look forward to seeing them!
Brent
I was going to load them onto my computer this morning before work and went to turn on my camera and nothing happened i need to get a new battery for it. Hopefully tomarro after i get back from Gatlinburg. Going to a friend of the family's wedding then i think i am going to ask my own girlfriend to mary me. I have had the ring for a few weeks now and just can't ever get things to be just right. This weekend for sure though big things to come.....
Dang Killer, when you start forgeing things, stand back. Sparks are gonna fly! :D Smack me in the head with a hammer. Never mind smack your own :bigsmyl:
PS again, are you teasing us with this concrete stuff again :biglaugh:
Brent
After reading this thread, I feel I have learned....... some thing? :banghead:
Ohhh the learning is just about to begin well as soon as i get a new battery. And thanks for the best of wishes Brent.
Your welcome!! Are we to expect pictures of the proposal also, now that you will have battery's? :bigsmyl:
Brent
Alright sorry for the wait photo bucket was trying to make me do some jc penny whooplah about reinventing yourself heck thats why I put down the wheelie and made a bow from a stick like a real man.
Any way enough chest beating, here are some picks for ya guys and gals...
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/nail.jpg)\\
That one is pretty bent sideways it was the first one i did didn't turn out as well as id thought. After that one i knew i needed to try something different. So i went to get a Mapps gas torch to make em glow.
Sorry i didn't take any pictueres of the better ones after i started heating them. I got so exited i went straight to the bench grinder to shape em up.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/nailhead.jpg)
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I made some different sizes and weight to see what will shoot good on my river cane arrows off my red oak board bow.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/severalnailheads.jpg)
And here are a few of my finished arrows. one has a Knapped head that i made my first actualy. Its a hack job but I'm learning.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/arrows.jpg)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/firstknappedhead.jpg)
Hope to post more in the futurewith better explanations also the latest masonary heads have grooves filed into the sides so the sinew isn't on the cutting edge.
Wow pretty interesting, Im not that far along in the whole "build it myself" game but Im hoping to get that far one day.
Those are some pretty gnarly points. I'm sure they are hard, and will do a job on some unfortunate critter.
What are ya stabbin with them things Killer?Did they sharpen up good? :campfire: Intresting indeed :cool:
Ya know hill boy I havn't decided what I'm gonna shoot with them I might do some penetration tests with a few other broad heads and maybee use em on deer. Heck the deer in Tennessee are as big as a golden retrever anyway, so I think they should work for deer or any unfortanate small game that passes by. And for sharpness I grinded them down on the bench grinder then for the final touches I used a dremel to make it nice and even then a knife sharpener. The finished ones will cut you like a razor.
When we were young we put nails on the railroad track and they were very flat the next day used them for our arrows.Never derailed a train that I know.Kip
Killer B, Did you ever figure out your bolts and washers we discussed on page one of this thread? Steve
Fellas, you can probably order any and all of that stuff from McMaster Carr Supply. Have them send you a 3,728 page catalog! McMaster Carr (http://www.mcmaster.com)
SOS I cannot get the washers to come even close. The Countersink bit I have won't go into the lag bolt heads at all. I will post the pictures on here so you can see what I was trying.
Here is what i was going to use....
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/nutsandbolts.jpg)
And this is the bellows i made to take the temper out of the lag bolt.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/bellows.jpg)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/cuttingbolt.jpg)
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb203/bennkunzelman/drillbolt.jpg)
And that where im stuck. With no way to countersink the heads even after removing the temper there way to hard to countersink.
That looks like an ugly amount of work!!! I think I said earlier, the flat head bolts I got didn't seem to match the angle of my countersink. Had to putz around with it and a large bore drill bit to get it to set well and deep into the phenolic I showed earlier. I will say my countersinks had a hard time chewing into the phenolic, steel would be down right ugly.
Build up the limb butt with phenolic or fiberglass with some wood of choice thrown in for looks......or buy the washers! Don't know where else to get them but from Binghams. Or as mentioned above, McMaster-Carr. Let me know if anyone finds them elsewhere. Till then, I like my limbbutts. Will probably use thinner phenolic next time - but my limb mounting system survived a bad dryfire when the riser didn't so they must work okay.