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Title: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 10, 2007, 08:20:00 AM
Since videoing and watching Masters Of The Barebow 1, I've noticed an improvement in my shooting. I put to use tips from all the shooters. Rod Jenkin's gap system really refined my own aiming technique. We've become good friends and I've gotten some great phone coaching from Rod that helped me a lot! Thanks Rod, you are a true champion.

Anyone else inspired by watching these shooters?

Darryl is working on Volume 2 right now.
Here is the DVD jacket - it is still a work in progress.
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/MOBB2Web-1.jpg
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: AllenR on July 10, 2007, 09:07:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Dsturgisjr:


Anyone else inspired by watching these shooters?

Heck yes!  Especially Rod.

Any estimate of when it will be available?
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Tim Fishell on July 10, 2007, 09:07:00 AM
Man I cant wait for the second one to come out.  I think I took a little something from all the shooters on the first video.  Everytime I find myself starting to loose form or anything like that I go pop the video in and watch the pros go through the steps again.  I enjoy checking out all the different styles there are.  Keep up the good work Denny and Darryl.  

Denny, do you guys have a E.T.A. on the 2nd video yet?
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Tim Fishell on July 10, 2007, 09:07:00 AM
Man I really need to learn to type faster.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on July 10, 2007, 09:52:00 AM
How do you get a copy of the first one guys...i could definately use some help on a consistant form.  Kirk
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: keith brimmer on July 10, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
denny i get inspired by lots of these videos some of them old like "the moment of truth" watched it last night lol
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: B.O.D. on July 10, 2007, 10:42:00 AM
I really liked the Dale Karch and Dean Torges spots. Dean shoots alot like me, and Dale...Wow; that old boy can shoot!
BD
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Ray Hammond on July 10, 2007, 10:55:00 AM
I got some help from it as well on a couple different things that were causing my groups to widen.

I also get myself back on track reading Terry Green's stuff here, on the Shooter's Forum. He's got some good ideas and little tips I use when I start getting inconsistent results.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: c ott on July 10, 2007, 11:00:00 AM
yessiree! I found that Dale Karch's style of release has improved my shooting a bit. It's kind of a refinement of my previous style, and works great for me. Hey Denny any plans to include a Hill style bow in the new one....maybe?
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Gordy on July 10, 2007, 11:41:00 AM
Denny - I really enjoy the Masters Vol 1.  I find I use a combination of the different techniques.  Hold the bow like one, release like another etc etc. But each has something to add for everyone.  

What I enjoy most is just watching them shoot even without commentary and watching the slow motion stuff.

Another thing I really liked was Trish explaining how she got into it and developed her shooting.

Would really like to see you shooting in the next one ..... enjoyed your dance moves and the out-takes.  ;)
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: AnointedArcher on July 10, 2007, 12:55:00 PM
Good stuff Denny - As soon as Volume two comes out I will own that as well.  I am like Gordy, I gleamed a little from everyone but I guess the two guys I gleamed the most from was Darryl & Mr. LaClair, the Michigan Mafia   :D .

However I am even more anxious for you guys to do Vision Quest 2, that is one of my all time favorite hunting videos.     :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: buckracks7 on July 10, 2007, 03:29:00 PM
I must be really stupid, cause I didn't get Rod's method. It sure works well for him, and Trish. I very much enjoyed the DVD, and look forward to the next.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Pat B. on July 10, 2007, 03:37:00 PM
I agree..  By far I got the most from Rod Jenkins segment but the rest were great as well.
And you're right, Rod is a good fella.

Soon as Vol. II is out I'll have to get it as well..
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Archersteve on July 10, 2007, 04:08:00 PM
Don't want to look stupid-but how can you get the first volume???
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Oscararrow on July 10, 2007, 04:57:00 PM
Archersteve, you can buy it off of 3 Rivers Archery site. I just bought one last week!
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Oscararrow on July 10, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
This is a good DVD with several different styles for many people instead of the cookie cutter style for everyone.

I feel like the Frankenstein Archer that will use all the good stuff, works for me with practice, from each of them.

Also, lets not forget about all of the valuable information we learn off of each other on this site! I know I picked up valuable information-keep up the great work.

I'll keep my eye on Volume II as well; I'd like to see some target archers on it as well. It was great to see the network show some of the Olympic Archers in competition during the summer games. Their shooting form was a piece of art work!
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: 30coupe on July 10, 2007, 05:52:00 PM
It really is a great video. I love the fact that the styles vary so much, but no one says "This is the way you should do it." Like many here, I have pulled bits from each. I actually think one of the most helpful parts of the video is at the end when it shows their misses. After watching them thump arrow after arrow into tiny groups, I was about ready to give up. Then when Dean made the perfect ass shot I thought "Hey, I've done that! If these guys can be as good as they are and still blow one once in a while, there just might be hope for me!"

Another tip that helped me was when Gene said he has trouble with plucking the string...boy is that me! I suddenly felt relief that I was not alone. These are truly great archers, yet they are subject to the same foibles as not-so-great archers like me. I have definitely improved my shooting by watching and watching and watching, etc. this video. Heck, I think I'll watch it again tonight, it's been a couple weeks.  :archer:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: bayoulongbowman on July 10, 2007, 05:53:00 PM
If I lived near Rod Id be his new best friend! LOL...that man can shoot   :wavey:    :coffee:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Darryl Quidort on July 10, 2007, 06:05:00 PM
I have truly enjoyed meeting and working with all the different shooters on this project.  Each one has been interesting and, surprisingly, I've learned tips that have improved my shooting even from those who use a different method than I do.  An open mind is a wonderful thing.

Vol. 2 will feature some target and tournament shooters that share some new insight on accuracy.  It will also introduce some new faces that share their philosophy on archery and life.  I'm in the editing stages now, but Vol 2 looks like it might be even better than Vol. 1.

Darryl
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: fredbear92 on July 10, 2007, 06:13:00 PM
#1 is awsome! can't wait for #2
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on July 10, 2007, 07:33:00 PM
I think Rod's explanation of his shooting style was one of the best gap shooting how-t's I've ever seen. And his results speak for themselves.

Volume I was outstanding. I'm really looking forward to Volume II.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: LONGHORN on July 10, 2007, 08:42:00 PM
Ya,volume 1 was outstanding,learning is an endless process,can't wait to see volume2.
Serge
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Chad R on July 10, 2007, 11:41:00 PM
Great Videos. Thanks.  I have really enjoyed watching it and my shooting has improved.  I live near Ron LaClair and he got me started with a Tim Meigs longbow 15 years ago.  Recently I was frustrated with my shooting.  Especially after missing a buck last December.  After reading on the other site about Pat L's switch back to the compound bow because he didn't have time between work and family.... I even dusted off my old PSE compound bow and put a wisker biscuit on it and bought some carbon arrows with blazers for it.  Now I am back shooting my longbow and having a blast.  My accuracy has really improved.  Thanks for a great video.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Cutty47 on July 11, 2007, 12:17:00 AM
Just wanted to thank both Denny and Darryl for putting the first one together.  For a guy like me who picked up a bow on his own and was living 1 1/2 hours from the nearest archery shop, it really was an invaluable tool.

Is Larry Yein going to be one of the shooters in II?  I can't wait to see a tourney LB shooter!  

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: 30coupe on July 11, 2007, 12:40:00 AM
Watched it again, then went out and shot. It worked, my groups were tight! I guess I probably shoot like a combination of Dale, Gene, Dean and Darryl (not that well of course).

I sure do admire Ron, but there is way too much thinking involved in gap shooting for me. I understand the concept, but I can't seem to make it work for me.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Many Arrows Lost on July 11, 2007, 02:43:00 AM
This has totally revolutionized shooting longbows for me.  I have always been mediocre, having good days and bad.  After watching Volumn I over and over I picked up several characteristics that have made me very consistant.  Hurry up with Volumn II  :thumbsup:  .

Ken
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: dorris on July 11, 2007, 03:08:00 AM
I learned quite a bit from the video . I have to say watching ron laclair was the biggest help for me personally all of them were super on there and look forward to seeing #2 .
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: beleg on July 11, 2007, 07:16:00 AM
Denis,
I love MoBB 1.
Who will be shooting on MOBB?
Thanks
Martin
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: AnointedArcher on July 11, 2007, 07:36:00 AM
Denny & Darryl - I know this thread is about Masters of the Bare Bow, but are there any plans to do a volume 2 on Vision Quest? That is a great video!
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: bayoulongbowman on July 11, 2007, 07:41:00 AM
Just food for thought...ya know what would be good a BH tunning DVD...half dozen shooter , wood carbon and alum arras...different cut on contact and weight BHs...love ur videos!!
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Rich LaBombard on July 11, 2007, 08:19:00 AM
I agree, terrific DVD, and can't wait for volume 2!
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Jeff Sample on July 11, 2007, 09:37:00 AM
I enjoyed it, learned a bit, laughed a lot. It is a really well done production. Denny - stick to bowhunting and working the camera - you can't dance worth a darn! I got a real kick out of Dean "the perfect A#* shot" Torges. I was particularly impressed with Ron LaClair's and Terry Green's shooting abilities - IMPRESSIVE!
Keep up the good work  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 11, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
After watching the masters:

I tweaked my grip and anchor point. My attitude is more positive and relaxed. I still use the push/pull draw, but know what to lookout for. Alignment is better. Aiming is more concentrated and intense. I can fight off periods of panic. My equipment is tuned better. I can dance better.

And best of all - TURKEYS ARE EASY     :)    


   (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v328/Dsturgisjr/IturkeyMI07.jpg)

We don't have plans to do another TVQ right now.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Ron LaClair on July 11, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Quote
I tweaked my grip and anchor point.  
So you've got an anchor point now?   :rolleyes:

 
QuoteI can fight off periods of panic  
Even when I pull out the score cards?    :readit: ...   :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 11, 2007, 10:50:00 AM
WOW! Seems like after shooting that chicken-sized bearded hen last spring Ron would be more humble. LOL  :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Ron LaClair on July 11, 2007, 11:02:00 AM
I've always tried to be a humble person Denny, you must bring out the worst in me.   :rolleyes:

As far as my breaded hen...anyone can shoot one of those big Tom's, hens are smaller and harder to hit.   :archer:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Clay Hills Bill on July 11, 2007, 02:04:00 PM
I really got a bunch out of the Video.  My favorite pointer was when Ron described maintining the angle of the deep hook through to release.  I started doing that instead of letting my fingers creep open and my anchor got even more confident, and back tension and release both became more consistent.

I also enjoyed seeing how all these veteran shooters use different approaches to achieve consistent accuracy.

Hey Ron, when is shrew III going to be ready?

Bill
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: shedhunter on July 11, 2007, 05:57:00 PM
ttt   :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: shedhunter on July 11, 2007, 06:52:00 PM
hey ron are those "breaded" hens pre cooked????  The best thing I learned from the video is how not to keep arrows in my quiver.. lol
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Garry on July 11, 2007, 08:51:00 PM
Denny,

I enjoyed volume 1 and looking forward to volume 2.  

I would really like to see what these archers can do at unknown yardages with the FIRST arrow without a warm up.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: mmgrode on July 11, 2007, 09:06:00 PM
Like many others the video has really improved my form and, within that, my target panic problems have decreased(not quite to where I want them, but close;). I took a little bit from each shooter. One of the biggest things that is really helping me is to maintain a deep hook on the string till release(Thanks Ron!). A couple other tips that are working for me are Roger Rothhaar's release, Daryl's anchor, and Dale's draw.  Great video and I look forward to volume 2! Cheers, Matt
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 13, 2007, 03:16:00 PM
I have buddies come over to shoot the range. We take turns picking shots. They really hate it when I do the last "Terry Green" shot in the Tradgang add in the Supporters/outtakes section. LOL  :)
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: keith brimmer on July 13, 2007, 03:57:00 PM
denny where is terrys shot shown i couldnt find it
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Rod Jenkins on July 13, 2007, 06:13:00 PM
Keith...last section on the DVD.

Denny...your very welcome my friend!
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: bayoulongbowman on July 13, 2007, 07:40:00 PM
I thought That was Denny standing in for Terry..LOL...ahhh I think thats what Ron said!!!  :bigsmyl:    :thumbsup:  just funnin  :clapper:
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Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 13, 2007, 09:05:00 PM
It was!! Terry filled in for me dancing around the campfire.  :knothead:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Rod Jenkins on July 14, 2007, 06:41:00 AM
You call that dancing?    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 14, 2007, 08:58:00 AM
Rod, It was pathetic  :)  The first time I watched the outtakes I thought who is that fat bastard jumping around? It really hurt when I realized it was me!
 :readit:  
Thanks again for your support and knowledge, it made a huge difference on my shooting in OZ.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: albertakid on July 14, 2007, 12:47:00 PM
I woulod like to thank you fellas for putting out the first one and am looking forward to number II as I alwasy enjoy watching good shots explian the methods behind their madness....

Denny just remember the camera adds 10 pounds and in Davids' case takes 3" off your height (sorry David)!!LOL
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Seeking Trad Deer on July 14, 2007, 02:34:00 PM
I haven't seen the video yet...are there any shooters with glasses in it?  I'd like to hear their tips and see them shooting.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Dsturgisjr on July 14, 2007, 03:04:00 PM
albertakid, I always heard the camera added 20 lbs. LOL I wish it added 30.

We had Dave stand on a stool for most of his presentation - NOT! LOL  :)  

I think Roger Rothhaar wears glasses.
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: albertakid on July 14, 2007, 03:38:00 PM
Denny,

I got some photos from a shoot back awhile ago and wondered who the guy was shooting my bow!! Looked like he may have had a few too many bud lights over the winter!!LOL

And I don't believe the stool comment David would have built and brought his own!LOl

Jordan
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on July 14, 2007, 06:18:00 PM
Where do you get a copy of the film?....Please...

i could have sworn i posted this request already....Hmmmmm kinda makes a guy wonder...  :confused:
Title: Re: Shooting Better With The Masters!!
Post by: Ron LaClair on July 14, 2007, 06:33:00 PM
Kirk, I've still got a few left.

http://shrewbows.com/moob.htm