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Title: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 16, 2007, 12:57:00 AM
I picked up a "new to me" Zipper TD (top bow in pic) this weekend. These bows are outstanding performers and are also very easy on the eyes! I have always desired a Zipper TD in my collection and this was a dandy of a bow to hold out for. 62" and about 52# at my draw.

I spoke to Bob about the this particular bow and he said that this bow is the next to the last one he built and the last one will be for himself, when he gets time to get around to it.

I sell a few custom pool cue's for Bob now and then. He is outright one of the nicest fella you could deal with.

Just may have to talk to Bill about getting a set of longbow limbs made to go with this riser. Now that, would be the icing on the cake  :thumbsup:  !

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Rugerfan/ResizeofDSC00045.jpg)

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: cjones on April 16, 2007, 03:26:00 AM
JL, That is a pretty bow. How does it perform compared to the border? The longbow limbs are very nice and perform pretty much the same as the recurve limbs which is very well.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 16, 2007, 08:52:00 AM
Speedwise, both the Border and Thermal edge out the Zipper, by eye. Granted, both the Border and Thermal are very fast examples of their particular models and the Zipper is by no means a slouch.

Quietness- Thermal, Zipper, Border

Shootability/forgivness- Border, Zipper and Thermal tie for second

The Zipper is a outstanding bow in all regards. It's got the looks, speed and offers the forgiveness that I personally demand out of a bow. I will retain a spot on my rack!

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Izzy on April 16, 2007, 08:57:00 AM
Fine bows ,congrats,
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: BigRonHuntAlot on April 16, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Congrats
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: overbo on April 16, 2007, 03:25:00 PM
JL,
Set the Zipper up w/ the same string drampners as your other bows and let us know how they rank.The Zippers I have are quiet enough that longbow shooters comment on it.
Great find and enjoy
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 16, 2007, 05:24:00 PM
I just added a set of bowhush on the string yesterday. The bow is already quiet and I'm sure the bowhush will take it to another level but I have not shot it (besides the manatory "test" shot off the deck in the pouring rain yesterday) since. Every bow has it's own properties and I am getting to know how this bow likes to be shot,brace, ect. I can tell right off the bat that the feeling out period will be quick. You just know from the first couple shot's weather a particular bow will work with your shooting style. Looking forword to sticking a lot more stumps with this bow...
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: heydeerman on April 16, 2007, 05:30:00 PM
Where did you get the bow rack?
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 16, 2007, 06:53:00 PM
On the bay, few years back. Works well and was cheap. Should of bought the larger version tho...

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: mqqse on April 16, 2007, 11:09:00 PM
She looks nice up there, take good care of her!
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Woodduck on April 17, 2007, 01:49:00 AM
Nice. I got an old one, years ago; and got Bob to make me a lighter set of limbs for it, a while back.
I'm glad I did it and they are fine bows.

Hope you like it as much as I like mine.  :archer:
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: BCD on April 17, 2007, 09:48:00 AM
JL-

You got a great collection there. I'm curious about your thermal as it looks different than mine which was built in August of 2006. Is that a high or medium grip? I like my thermal, but I'm not crazy about the grip as it doesn't really force my hand into the same position each time (it's kinda rounded off so to speak compared to others I've  had). Also, what kind of wood is that in the thermal.

Thank you
Brady
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 17, 2007, 11:21:00 AM
My Thermal has a med grip and was built in 2000. The second set of limbs (Ric's newer design that make a 58" bow and 53# draw) were made around 2003'ish, I think, and they really smoke an arrow. I also have a set of 60"/57# limbs for this bow (hanging on the sides of the bow rack). Here's a better pic of the grip area on my Thermal;

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Rugerfan/DSC00153.jpg)

The checkering on this bow rivals that of the finest checkering I have ever seen. The Osage accent stripe is left intact thruout the checkering. Very nice touch. Here's a better pic of the Thermal strung;

  (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Rugerfan/DSC00155.jpg)

I'm am thankful to be able to put this small but sweet bow collection together and I try to use and enjoy them as much as I can. Only thing I need now is a set of longbow limbs for the Zipper..well...maybe a LB set for the Border also and  :rolleyes:  ...

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Alex.B on April 17, 2007, 01:02:00 PM
WOOOW ! that's nice checkering there!! you're right. It doesn't matter how old you get, getting a new bow is a wonderful thing.
Good Luck

Alex
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 17, 2007, 01:09:00 PM
Wow, JL, except for the Border our collections are the same! Your Thermal is very close to mine which is macassar ebony and zebra wood. Ric's contractor for checkering quit doing it when mine was on order otherwise I'd have had it done. It is a heavy, rock solid and quiet shooter.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Marriah%20Thermal/TimberGhostpics008.jpg)

I have both the standard and extreme Zipper risers and more limbs than I care to admit. The Extreme is faster than both the Thermal and the Standard Zipper at the same draw and arrow weights. Here's my Snakewood Extreme on a bear hunt.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Alberta%20Bear%20Hunt/easter2006094.jpg)
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: southpawshooter on April 17, 2007, 01:10:00 PM
Looks mighty fine there Jerry.  Zippers sure are sweet!!
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: BCD on April 17, 2007, 01:20:00 PM
JL and Beachbowhunter-can you guys post side views of your zippers (from the shelf side) so I can see the grips a little better? Mine still looks different at least to me and the grip isn't very comfortable to shoot. BBhunter-is your thermal a medium grip as well?

Thank you
BD
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 17, 2007, 04:03:00 PM
I'll see if I can get a pic of the shelf side of the Zipper's riser posted tonight. Did you have the Zipper built for you or buy it preowned? If the grip is biting into your hand, you could have it reshaped a bit to fit your hand. Sounds like the grip on your Thermal may be a bit large for your hands if your hand is floating.

Good looking bows there BBH! Great minds must think alike! Does your Thermal have the newer style limbs? I personally prefer the newer limbs myself and find they really perform great! Real fast and super quiet. My Thermal is the quietest recurve I have ever shot, bar none, and I have gone thru some bows in my time. I find that generally most real quiet curves lack top perfomance but my Thermal brings it all to the table. It will keep a spot on my rack.

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: BCD on April 17, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
JL-

My thermal was built for me. It is a good performer and is the quietest bow that I have ever shot. With a FF string, it is even quieter with virtually no handshock. I'll try to post a pic of it to see what you think of the grip. It's probably the same as yours, but looks different to me.

BD
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 17, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
BCD, here are a couple of Extreme risers.
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Zipper%20Extremes/MySnakewoodZipper020.jpg) Here is my standard riser
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Zipper%20Standard/BocoteStandard.jpg)
I would say that my Thermal is med to med-low.
JL, yes my bow was made last year...I...um...uh..well, I have a few limbs...
 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/beachbowhunter/Marriah%20Thermal/easter2006001.jpg)   :saywhat:
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 17, 2007, 08:30:00 PM
Well,yes I would agree that you do. Nice collection! Have you tryed a Border yet? You know what they say, When in Rome...

Here is the side shot of riser of the Zipper;

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Rugerfan/ResizeofDSC00049.jpg)

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: StickBowManMI on April 17, 2007, 08:59:00 PM
Can you order a set of Longbow limbs for the Zipper Extreme Riser? I have one of the first Extremes that Bob made. A set of Longbow limbs would be great if they would work with the riser. Anyone tried it yet?
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 17, 2007, 09:44:00 PM
Do  a search, pretty sure CJones has one of the first sets and has them on an Extreme riser. I doubt Bob changed the shape of his limb attachments.

JL, no I haven't tried a Border but I have been lusting for one for a good while. It's only a matter of time!
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: cjones on April 17, 2007, 11:34:00 PM
Stickbow, The longbow limbs will fit on any zipper riser! I prefer the extreme riser myself over the standard.

Norb, You need a border? I may be able to help you out!LOL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: BCD on April 18, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
I like the looks of those extremes. Has anyone chronoed one to see how much faster they are than a standard zipper? Can anyone compare them in speed to a River's Edge?

Thanks
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Marblesonac on April 18, 2007, 10:39:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by BCD:
I like the looks of those extremes. Has anyone chronoed one to see how much faster they are than a standard zipper? Can anyone compare them in speed to a River's Edge?

Thanks
With the same limbs, the extreme riser should pull 4 lb's more.  They were designed with the shorter draw in mind.  With regard to speed (other than the LB's difference) I'm not sure there would be much difference except for the brace height difference.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 18, 2007, 12:51:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by BCD:
I like the looks of those extremes. Has anyone chronoed one to see how much faster they are than a standard zipper? Can anyone compare them in speed to a River's Edge?

Thanks
Yes, I have and to give you an idea, I needed to shoot 61# limbs on the Standard to equal the performance of a 57# set up on an Extreme. I get around 185 fps with a 570 grain arrow drawing 57@27 on my Extreme. There is a definite performance advantage with the Extreme.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: bjk on April 18, 2007, 01:56:00 PM
I'd love to put mine through a chrono...those are some nice numbers.

Zippers are my choice...the Extreme specifically.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: cjones on April 18, 2007, 11:46:00 PM
Mine is shooting a little quicker than Norb's. Mainly be cause i'm drawing a lil over 29" and not shooting anywhere near 10gpp. Matter fact i'm shooting warranty voiding arrows!  :bigsmyl:   I don't remember the exact numbers and don't want to be mis quoted but it's over 200fps.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: JL on April 19, 2007, 09:01:00 AM
I'm with Chad. I shoot unweighted GT 35/55's out of all of my bows. My Border smokes them at 211FPS, the Thermal is in the hi 190's and the Zipper is in the low 190's, by eye. They shoot well, fly straight and hit hard.

JL
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: bjk on April 19, 2007, 09:03:00 AM
I don't doubt it...when I was shooting ~8gpi they screamed.  Now shooting closer to 10g and still have a super flat shooting bow right out to ~22y

I prefer the Extreme and am shooting it at 6.5...I draw right around 28 and know this thing is performing.  Someday I'll be around a chrono with it.

The nicest thing about my Extreme is that even at the 6.5 brace and an arrow in the low 8's (I've even shot mid/high 7's), it was dead quiet and not even the slightest hint of bounce.  

Love them Zippers    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 19, 2007, 07:46:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by cjones:
Mine is shooting a little quicker than Norb's. Mainly be cause i'm drawing a lil over 29" and not shooting anywhere near 10gpp. Matter fact i'm shooting warranty voiding arrows!    :saywhat:

I shoot at a brace height of 6.75. Smooth and quiet.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: BCD on April 20, 2007, 08:31:00 AM
I'm guessing the zipper extremes are a little less forgiving with the lower brace height? Is this the case? ALso, do you find yourself hitting your arm a bit? I have not had good experience with brace heights under 7 in the past and prefer a minimum of 7.5.
Thank you
BD
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Ray Hammond on April 20, 2007, 09:07:00 AM
I don't think I am getting anywhere near those numbers on my 1989 Standard ..and I am shooting 64#@28". I shoot 29 inch arrows...190 grain broadheads..arrows generally between 675 and 725 grains though..I might be getting around 170-175 FPS? Not sure...don't chrono.

The game doesn't seem to care how fast the arrow is as it 'zips' through them and lands in the dirt ten feet out the other side, so I don't either!

There isn't a finer bow built as far as shootability, fit and finish. You may like other styles better and that is what's great about living in the USA..lots of great choices..but the Zip is a "get it done' bow whichever one you choose -you will be pleased.

I bought two other makes of bow, sold off a bunch and was going to retire my Zip...but I just can't do that to the ole girl...she's a stone cold killer.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: bjk on April 20, 2007, 09:36:00 AM
Ray -- Depending on your draw length, 170/5fps at ~11gplb is pretty nice to very good.  But like you said, it doesn't matter that much...but it sure is fun to go fast    :cool:  

The lower BH isn't for everybody; in general a lower brace is more critical, regardless of the equipment.  I find I hit my arm only with very bulky clothes AND w/o an armguard...I don't wear one normally or when it is warm, but if heavier clothes are on (meaning multiple layers), I use one (I would with any bow though, I guess).  It usually only catches me close to the hand, if anywhere...right at the end.  

Also, I am at the very bottom...6.5...most longbows are that or higher.


Try one sometime...they are nice regardless...if the Extreme isn't for you, the Standard might be...Bill is a great guy and puts out a top notch product.

Has stock too   ;)
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Ray Hammond on April 20, 2007, 10:10:00 AM
BJK,
i guess my post wasn't clear. I have a zipper-standard- built in 1989...built by Bob of course..and have owned as many as 10 of them..I am a big fan.

All the data I offered is from my Zipper..with a 28 inch draw.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: bjk on April 20, 2007, 10:18:00 AM
It was clear...I think those would be good numbers out of a Standard with that heavy an arrow (out of any bow, really).

They are shooters, for sure.
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: beachbowhunter on April 20, 2007, 12:09:00 PM
Ray, those are Ashby-good numbers for sure! I have some of Bob's latest limbs that are in your weight range. I'll bring them for you to try out for fun.

BCD, I don't find the Extreme any less forgiving than any high brace height, forward riser bow I've ever shot. I prefer lower brace heights. Bows with high brace heights (7.75+) seem flabby and unstable to me. Yes, you do get a little contact on the arm guard, but as Howard Hill said, if it doesn't bite you some it isn't right (or something to that effect)
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: Ray Hammond on April 20, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
look forward to it, beachie!
Title: Re: Another happy Zipper owner...
Post by: cjones on April 22, 2007, 03:24:00 AM
Norb, my hunting arrows from last season weighed 399. The ones i'm shooting right now are 392.