Hey guys, I'm gonna try this again. Take it for what it is, because this test isn't scientific. It has been consistent, however. Hope you enjoy it. Heads tested are 125gr., shot on the same shaft, and shot at 10yds. Shot into a soaking wet phonebook (the best simulator of flesh I have available to me to my knowledge).
Snuffer SS:
Best penetrating multiblade tested. Did a great job leaving an open hole and penetrating, as the picture indicates.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1878.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1877.jpg)
Thunderhead:
Last place in penetration. Was extremely sharp before and after the 2 test shots were taken. The hole was larger in diameter than the SS but not as open. Was only beaten by the Phantom by an inch or so.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1881.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1880.jpg)
Phantom:
Left the best hole and placed second in penetration, losing by about 1.5" to the SS and beating the Thunderhead by an inch. I also shot it as a 2blade and it penetrated the same. Arrow was tuned for the heavier head, so that is to be expected. The 2blade would've been the best penetrator had the arrow been tuned.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1884.jpg)
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1882.jpg)
Again guys, this isn't presented as fact. Just info that may be relevant, yet there is debate as to whether or not this test means anything. You decide ;)
I will be testing the Simmons Razorshark next. Would like to try the Magnus Buzzcut if anyone is willing to let me borrow one for a day or 2.
Folks take the tests for what they're worth and play nice. Craig put some work into this and deserves the same respect as everyone else here.
Thank you moderators for allowing this thread back on. I apologize if my comment had anything to do with the previous thread being pulled. The young man does deserve his thread and as Vermonster says "the same respect as everyone else" :clapper:
cool test!, cant wait for the test on the simmons, been thinking about getting those as my first broadhead
I for one would like to see more.
Is there a link to the old test?
How about flight,, Did you notice anything different from one another
How wide was the bloodtrail? LOL Frank
Dan, here is the link to last year's test:
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=037795#000000
Whitebuffalo, I shot them side by side tonight and didn't notice any difference in flight. All were excellent.
how thick was the phone book as I would like to try this test for my self with some of my broadheads. :notworthy:
Can you tell us a little more about your phone book set up? How many, how you prep'ed them, etc.? Just something so we put this in to prospective.
I like the close up photos of the holes. Pretty neat.
Nice comparisions and I too like the up close photos of the holes. Keep up the great work and keep sharing!
I'm very interested in how the Buzzcuts' perform.
Nice experiment in my opinion.
Jeff
I think it is a great test and would like to see Magnus four blades myself? I am thinking of either the phantom or the Magnus for me.
I like, thank you for sharing. Hope to see more. Alan
Pretty cool!! Thanks for sharing your findings!
Arrows4Christ Nice work. Nice to know someone else is a backyard forensic expert. BTW I once shot a deer that had swallowed a phone book...I just followed the yellow pages. Anyone want to order a pizza?
Cool post.
Cool test! Hey how did you come up with the phone book info to compare it to flesh? Can you say the poundage of your bow and the total penetration of the arrows? Did you try the woodsman? I am in the mkt for some new broad heads, this is good info (IMHO)I like to see creative thinking!
Thanks, I'm eternally curious :-)
The Phonebook is about 2.5" thick and soaked with water. I came up with the idea from a broadhead review site: Lots of great info on there. The poundage on my bow is 63#@30". Didn't measure the total penetration, but I'll remember to do so in my future tests. I haven't tried the Woodsman, though I suspect it would penetrate better than the Snuffer SS or Razorcaps because of the smaller diameter and longer length. Arrows are Arrow Dynamics Trad Heavies cut to 29.5" weighing in at 535gr. with the broadhead.
thanks for the come back. Soooooooooo much to learn here!
Simmons Razorshark test should be up this week. Hopefully I'll have a turkey to test one on as well :)
Just got back in from hunting this weekend....sorry the 1st thread got out of hand....no sure how it all happened yet...but glad to see this back up.
anxious to see the WW's tested since they're my go-tos
BTW.......nice to see a kid out playing with his bows and arrows instead of inside with the nintendo/xbox.
Amen to that Terry
Wow. Just got finished testing the Simmons Razorshark. Best performance to date! Penetrated best and left the best hole easily. Keep in mind that I used the same book as last time and it's still soaking wet! Left it outside and it's been raining a lot this week, so I didn't bother to re-soak it. My first shot was broadside. The penetration beat the Snuffer SS by at least 1". I need to break out the tape measure and shoot all the heads again to be sure that I don't misinterpret the results. I was expecting it to come close to the best, but not quite. This is dense material, and that swoop in the blade seems like it would cause the head to loose penetration in such material. Not so. That BH test site I mentioned earlier came up with somewhat similar results, though the Thunderhead won out in penetration slightly. May have something to do with the fact that he was using a larger phone book. Who knows. Anyway, here are the pics.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1886.jpg)
Broadside exit
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1887.jpg)
Quartering away exit.
(http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i310/jelloats/DSCF1885.jpg)
Broadside penetration.
This head was razor sharp out of the pack and stayed that way throughout the test. Thanks to skipmaster for letting me have one of his!!! I know what'll fill my quiver this year ;)
One other thing worthy of note is that these heads are advertized as 125gr. while they're truly about 117gr.
Arrow4Christ, nice test. I assume by looking at the hole that the Razorshark was tested using the aux blades? Also, what are the specs on the bow you used to test the shark? Great job :thumbsup:
Joe
Joe,
Yes I used the Auxiliary bleeders on the Razorsharks. They are 7/8" in diameter while the main blade is 1 1/4" in diameter. When I get a chance I'll post a pic of the wounds these things make in animals, not my pics. The bow is a 63#@30" (drawn to 30") 60" Das Dalaa. I use a clicker so the draw length is consistent. I am also shooting off an elevated rest. God bless,
Craig
Thanks for the info and the blessing Craig, I'd be interested in those pics when you get a chance. Love my Tiger Sharks but was thinking of trying the Razorsharks for deer this year.
God bless you too,
Joe
Cool! They are my favorite head by far. I have only taken 2 animals but they were both big critters. One was that 600# hog the other was a 250# buck. It did awesome on both. I'll see if i have any pics of the wounds.......
This is the entrance wound on that hog. it was a big hole. Both the entrace and exit hole looked like a hose pouring out blood.
(http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g167/skipmaster1/IMG_0547.jpg)
QuoteOriginally posted by OH at work:
Arrow4Christ, nice test. I assume by looking at the hole that the Razorshark was tested using the aux blades? Also, what are the specs on the bow you used to test the shark? Great job :thumbsup:
Joe
I've used the RazorSharks quite a bit, but only out of a compound. They will be my first choice for my trad bow. They are not designed to be shot without the bleeder blades. They are extremely tough heads and leave great holes. If anyone is interested, I can post some links to some pics of a doe I took last fall with one and the damage it did.
ejes, I would be interested.
Thanks,
Joe
OK, here ya go! Like I said, this was with a compound and it went through the off shoulder ball joint. First pic is the entry, the second is the exit, the third is the exit skinned, the 4th is the interior of the ball joint, the fifth and sixth are the blade after going through all of that. (7th pic is a bonus) The coin is a quarter for reference. Let me know if you have trouble viewing.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/entry.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/exitclose.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/exitskinned.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/shoulder2.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/head2.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/head1.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d68/ejesauer/heart.jpg
ejes's pics are the ones I was going to post ;)
Thanks guys. Sure looks to be a good head. Have all of you found them to be sharp right out of the package. I've seen a lot of BH's advertised that way but when I open them up they aren't really all that sharp.
Joe
Joe, I just got 6 more, all razor sharp :D
QuoteOriginally posted by Arrow4Christ:
Joe, I just got 6 more, all razor sharp :D
You already bought more! :)
I told you they were good heads.
Yes, mine were extremely sharp. They would pop hair with little or no effort. I lightly stroped them to polish them up and they were even better. I think the scimitar shaped blade opens up the wound channel more for some reason.
The scimitar shape actually helps with penetration. It allows a head to penetrate further than a standard head of the same size. The speeping shape of the blade reduces drag as it cuts. The Razorshark also has a pretty big main blade and the bleeders are quite large as well.
Thanks guys :thumbsup:
Joe
Here's a pic of a 100 grain. They are small, and I found that removing the bleeder blade for sharpening to be a real pain, requiring an eyeglass screw driver and a magnifying glass. Too much work for me. I do not doubt that they work very well but I decided to stick to my Phantoms and Razorcaps.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Arrowworks/Razorshark.jpg)
I'm using the Tree Sharks on my turkey arrows. They weigh 165gr. I like an even heavier head so I loaded the nose of the ferrule with #12 very fine lead shot and brought the weight up to 205gr.
On the business end of my tapered Sitka Spruce arrows they will be devastating. :scared: :eek: .... :archer:
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Ghost1.JPG)
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Ghost3.JPG)
I just noticed something. The curve of the main blade starts where the bleaders begin making this one of the few (if not the only) head on the market that has one blade assisting the cutting action of other.
That hole in the deer sure is impressive!
Those look awsome Mr. LaClair! Should be good turkey medicine.