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Title: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: flatlander37 on April 11, 2007, 01:17:00 AM
I am looking for any info about the approximate differences in arrow weight between these two.  The arrow length will be 27" and between 50-60 lb spine.  Forgot to add that I will probably try out the tapered shafts this time also. Thanks, Mark
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: Tree man on April 11, 2007, 01:21:00 AM
It varies of course but you 'll probbaly get 75 -100 grains more from the fir.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: jacobsladder on April 11, 2007, 08:26:00 AM
I've got some douglas fir from hildebrand that i really like.. I'm not sure the weight difference.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: wingnut on April 11, 2007, 08:31:00 AM
Raptor Archery carries Doug fir and Sitka Spruce and they are a sponsor of the TradGang.

Mike
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: Tater 2 on April 11, 2007, 08:38:00 AM
As wingnut said Raptor archery has Doug Fir I ordered two dozen tapered shafts from Ted and they are some of the finest shafts I have seen in a while and the price was reasonable.

                  Tater
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: snag on April 11, 2007, 09:45:00 AM
The 11/32" 55-60# spined spruce shafts from Hildebrand are 340-350 gr. Maybe someone can weigh their fir shafts and let us know what they weigh...? I would imagine they would be like Tree Man says.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: SlowBowinMO on April 11, 2007, 11:39:00 AM
My understanding is there can be a wide variance in weight with fir.  If you have an idea what you need in a raw shaft a good supplier can probably hit it for you, but the above estimate of 75-100 grains is very achievable.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: Ted Fry on April 11, 2007, 12:35:00 PM
The average weight of Fir will be in the mid 400s for a full length shaft , Spruce averages out at mid 300s for the same . You can have higher and lower in a box of 100 of the same spine , sometimes 100+ grains . This is why most hand weigh the dozens. Both Spruce and Fir are good shafts that hand straighten and recover quickly from paradox.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: OzarkRamblr on April 11, 2007, 01:05:00 PM
Here's a set of doug fir shafts I made for my wife...put on some sunglasses, she wanted 'em bright.  These weigh between 435-440 grains including the brass .357 case she's using as a bludgeon. They're spined 35-40#.

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n14/OzarkRamblr/Archery/IMG_0756.jpg)

(http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n14/OzarkRamblr/Archery/IMG_0755.jpg)
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: RamiusEng on April 11, 2007, 01:25:00 PM
How well does Douglas Fir take stain/sealers/lacquers??

I am almost convinced.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: OzarkRamblr on April 11, 2007, 02:02:00 PM
Pretty good. The ones I made for my wife were dyed with scarlet RIT dye. I've also stained them with Min Wax Wood Finish. I use the Min Wax fast drying polyurethane to seal them with. Fletch 'em with fletch tape and a dot of duco cement at the front and back of the feather then wrap with artificial sinew just for kicks not because they need it.
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: jacobsladder on April 11, 2007, 02:07:00 PM
Ive had good luck staining my douglas fir... I use the minwax prestain conditioner, minwax stain, and two coats of hellmans spar urethane for the finish... very durable nice looking arrow... Steve
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: Bjorn on April 11, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
Doug fir stands up waay better than Cedar or Spruce for 3D and general shooting..............almost as strong as a hardwood. Doug Fir takes stains etc just as good as Cedar-Cedar looks a bit prettier, and smells oh-so-nice when it snaps! LOL!
I get tapered Doug Fir from Ted at  www.raptorarchery.com (http://www.raptorarchery.com)
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: flatlander37 on April 11, 2007, 02:17:00 PM
Man, howdy, those things are bright!  If you lose one of those it would be on purpose!
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: OzarkRamblr on April 11, 2007, 03:08:00 PM
LOL Mark, that was kind of the idea. The last ones she had me make for her, she wanted green camo feathers on   :knothead:  Needless to say there are a few back in the briar patch that will probably never be seen again   :banghead:
Title: Re: Cedar vs Douglas Fir
Post by: Lee Viv on April 11, 2007, 05:29:00 PM
I got some tapered Doug Fir from Ted at Raptor Archery and really like the way they fly.

Will probably stick with it now that I have shot fir.

Lee