I am looking at tents that would be good in cold weather conditions. Have looked at the Kifaru, Cabelas,... ect. Light weight is not a necessity and does not have to be overly large. I am thinking 12x14 max. Any suggestions? Thanks... John
Absolutely! Look into the canvas wall tents(guide tents). If you get one of those little stoves, these are as comfy as your own home.
I'm looking at them now myself.
Jeff
I am looking at the wall tents as well. It seems that moisture building up in the tent is not as much of a issue with these types of tents. Especially if the wood stove is being used.
Your right-----they are dry as a bone inside, even in a downpour. I used one last year at deer camp(November), it was cold and snowy outside, and I was walking around in my union suit inside the tent.
Jeff
I use a Panther primitive regent tent modeled after a medieval style of tent. Always dry, always warm and plenty of room. Never been in a storm that has given it any trouble and I have used it all year round and in wind gusts up to 50 miles per hour.
My votes for the wall tent & stove if it don't have ta come in on your back.
Used a wall tent for winter camping many times...The 12' X 14' Cabelas is hard to beat...Even with four guys and gear you can be like a bug in a rug...
Never used a wood stove...Had a nice size heating element on a propane tank (in a milk box so it wouldn't fall over)...Also kept a rain fly over the roof of the tent...We used seperate tarps as a floor/ground cover...Did not want to store the tent with a dirty floor...
... mike ...
You might try giving the singing bowyer a shout.
Chad bought a tent last year it is about 13 foot diameter. Put it up easily and we hunted out of it a week at Land Between the Lakes on the Kentucky, Tenn line. We have a folding wooden stove with a telescopic stovepipe.
It also has a liner to hold the heat.
Tell him Hacksaw sent ya!
We are going to wheeling tonight for the trad archery show. If your about we will have camp pictures we will be glad to share with you.
Hacksaw
Here is my 14x14 pryamid tent with my cylinder stove it can get toasty inside. Whats nice about this tent is you can have it up in a very short time with its single pole setup.
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Thats a nice tent Tony! Did you build it yourself, or was this manufactured?
Jeff
Jeff
I purchased it from Don Strinz, I don't remember but I think he is out of Nebraska.
I have lived for a month at a time; numerous times in a wall tent.
I had an 8x10 that worked well; except no matter what waterproofer I put on it; it still leaked in a downpour.
Ditto on my 10x12; outfitters in this area put a plastic tarp over their wall tents because of this.
This last fall a friend from Sweden bought a 12x12 Cabelas outfitter series tent; can't remember the dingy dang name; but it has a center ridge pole; and it withstood wind water and snowload with absolutely no problems.
We hung wet clothing on the center pole; and fired up the woodstove; and it kept us warm and comfortable.
Plus it has windows so you can stare at the stars at night; and vents to take the heat away in the summer.
Its not canvas; it repels rain and snow like I mentioned; and it has plenty of room ( and you can attach an additional vestibule (sp?) to the front if you want.
I am 6-3 and had no problem walking around; and that is an issue when your tent bound.
It is just plain and simple a fantastic tent.
My oldest son bought the 9x9 version of it; and he thinks its the neatest thing since velcro. He now camps with the family and even the little wife is happy with it.
I did learn ( plenty of headroom for that) from the Swede; to put a big rock on the woodstove; the bigger the better; it heats up at night and in the morning the tent is still warm; though the fire is out in the woodstove.
Neat trick.
Pointed roof styles like the cabelas and Tony's shed water and snow - and its when your sleeping that it normally snows and you don't know it. I have had wall tents sag to where they almost touched me on my cot; and too; woke up with a puddle of water on my sleeping bag cover from a leak in a wall tent ( always always always if it will leak- it will be on you).
I like being able to zip bugs out in the spring; and summer; and not having to worry about wind and rain.
Its like a home away from home with a good tent!!
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Brian,
You are describing the Alaknak from Cabela's...they are pretty warm in the summer; that is the only drawback I can find with mine. There is a new model with "sleeping pods". I wish I could retrofit my old one!
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Hopefully here is a picture of my "Wall Tent". Made it with standard tarps using one of those flexible cooking sheets for the stove pipe liner. Works great. Wouldn't want to pack it though.
sleeping pods eh?? have to check that out. I am happy though with military cots and a foam pad on it; with my canvas sleeping bag cover; I am cozy in it. Alaknak is what I was talking about. If you keep them in the shade in the summer; the venting can keep them cool; but then again; I am camping out at 6500 feet.
Packing the 12 by 12 would be difficult; even with pack animals; its heavy. But it can be done.
The eastman way is to use fly camps; just a plastic tarp over a pole tied between two trees; it allows you to see animals at all times; but I cannot see how you stay warm in that kind of set up.
Biggest problem in tent camping is when it starts to rain; if it is not leaks; its that the tent gets smaller and smaller with each hour or day spent in it. Eventually you run off screaming into the pouring rain...
But that makes the rain stop; so there is some science in it :)
There is a thread currently running on Kifaru teepees. Worth looking into. Might help you with some ideas.
You might try these guys!
http://www.redhawk-trading.com/baker-tent.htm
Hey Experts,
Looking to pick-up a canvas wall tent from a local outfit , www.walltentshop.com, and was wondering if anyone had experience with using canvas wall tents? Pros? Cons?
For a truck base camp a canvas wall tent is tough to beat in any weather. We have a 14 x 20 with a 5 dog stove for that purpose. We have used it in Idaho and Arizona for elk, Texas for deer and hogs and it's great. It really shines when the temp is down around zero and you have a small fire going while laying on cots in your long johns reading a book.
Mike
My Springbar just went thru some terrible weather at Western States. It is canvas with no stove vent. We got 8 inches heavy wet snow on last day of elk camp-we were dry while many tents around us collapsed. I have a seek outside tipi but have not tested it in the elements yet. It is a nylon-type one with stove vent, no floor. Either has it appropriate application. Go to some of the larger archery shoots and ask the campers to look at theirs. Advertisements do not tell you what you need to know to make an informed decision,
Bigger is heavier, and more room is not all that necessary. I do not cook in my tents as i want no oils. Cook under an awning. Just my way
Look at Alaska Tent and Tarp's website and check out the Arctic Oven. I owned a 12x12 and now have a 10x10. Make sure you get them with the vestibule. In the cold weather I run a wood stove inside. These tents are made for cold weather and winter camping. I have found nothing better.
I have a snow trekker 10x13 exp base camp. It has been an awesome tent and is light weight as well. Sunforger 7 oz canvas has held up just as well as the heavier stuff and is propped up by burly Easton poles. Not conduit. Got a KniCo stove. Whole setup is 56 pounds but sleeps like its 200. Dwayne is a great guy to deal with and makes in my opinion the best canvas tent. Also. If you decide to pack it in on a mule you'll have more room for steak and beverages
I have a 12x12 Alaknak and a Three Dogs wood stove. Use it in the late January season warm down into the single digits. Like SteveO said only drawback they get hot in warm weather if not shaded. No complaints.
Check out Seek Outside. They produce a great Tipi with a stove.
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Hard to beat a canvas wall tent (and stove) for cold weather. I do run a tarp over mine for extra protection, but probably isn't needed. Mine is a 9x12, which works well for one or two people. Begins to get a little crowded with three. I do like high side walls. Four feet is fairly standard, but 5 feet is available on many. The latter gives much more headroom throughout the tent. Several good makers out there. Mine is an Eena made by Beckel Canvas Products in Portland, Oregon.
I second the arctic oven mentioned above. There isn't a better tent for cold weather out there. At -temps down to -50 below or colder with a small wood stove there is not tent that is its equal. A bit pricey but worth every penny you'll find and it has great customer support and you will not be disappointed. In fact you might want to move up a size. It is the standard for trappers up here in the Interior of Alaska.
For floorless tents, how do you all deal with the creepie crawlies? I'm guessing that you sleep on a raised cot of some sort? Or are you mostly using these when it's just too cold for bugs?
I'm not usually one to avoid bugs & such. But being able to watch carpenter ants crawl all over my tent at night (they'll wake you up in a hurry!), seeing the occasional tick and watching some fabrics get shredded by mice at night, I've never had the guts to sleep in a floorless tent.
Most wall tents have a sod cloth, an 8-inch or so wide piece of canvas that runs along the inside of the walls at the ground. A vinyl "footprint" is then laid over that so it overlaps right up to the base of the tent wall. Keeps critters and most other things out.
When I use as wall tent, it means I'm camping close to my truck so I have the creature comforts, like a cot and stove.
Love my Davis wall tent! Never had a leak...dry and toasty with the stove. The Davis cots are hart to beat also! Bombproof.
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Oh man, is it September yet?
I deal with bugs this way. I carry insect killer such as you would spray in your house. I spray the area on which the tent will be erected. Then, I put down the ground cloth. It works very well.
I got a nice wall tent from Davis tent from Colorado have used one spring turkey in missouri had sevear storms and high wind and stayed warm and dry it kinda hot in warm seasons but great for fall and winter.have stove for it but sometimes just use propane heater though tent I would do with the wall tent
Mike
I have had a Torrent Tent on the classified three times. No one seemed interested, 50 pound package 10X12 with three aluminum poles they break down to 24 inches. It's easy enough for one person handle. And they had a full screen front and a half screen back door and window for warmer season. I happen to think it's a good combination. It's kind them between wall tent and in a frame. It's about 8'6" high. Sidewalls are 3 foot. It would fit three cots in the stove, and gear.
Here's what it look like:
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I purchased it because it looks like it sheds rain and snow real good. It is smaller to heat. so you got smaller stove. Maybe someday I'll use it. I've also had 2 Davis wall tents. But this one is lighter for one or two people
Carl
I have a 10x10 Kodiak Canvas tent. It's a great tent, but doesn't come with a stove jack. I just bought a stove and going to buy the jack, and have to put it in myself. The only negative (which is a big one) is that my warranty will no longer be valid once I put it in. I'm looking forward to trying it out this winter. I'll post pics of the process if anybody is interested.
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I have a 10x10 Kodiak Canvas tent. It's a great tent, but doesn't come with a stove jack. I just bought a stove and going to buy the jack, and have to put it in myself. The only negative (which is a big one) is that my warranty will no longer be valid once I put it in. I'm looking forward to trying it out this winter. I'll post pics of the process if anybody is interested.
I would love to see how it comes out. Are you planning on going out the side or through the roof?
Look at Kodiac Canvas, I have a 10x10, I like a floor attached. It does not have a place for stove venting, guess guys have added them but you can use Mr. Buddy heater. It seems like a much more simple method and faster setup
like most of us here, i have tried so many different types of tents. some good, some not so good.
i finally came across the "bell tents"
https://www.belltent.co.uk/shop/canvas_tents/5_metre_deluxe_bell_tent_with_built_in_groundsheet
these are from the UK. they were very affordable, shipped quickly.
they are lighter than traditional wall tents, and handle the storms and weather better- shed water and snow beautifully.
they have a whole range of sizes and options. liners, lean to's, with and without built-in groundsheets- ours has a zip in ground sheet.
we live in a coastal rain forest, and i wanted something i could pitch by myself, quickly and easily.
it only has one center pole( break down)
it goes up in minutes - literally.
peg out the floor- go inside and lift the center pole- then everybody can get inside and start building camp, while i go around the outside and set up the short guy ropes- another few minutes.
much like a tipi , it has tons of standing head room, but it also has short side walls, so space is better utilized.
its well made and ours is about 8 years old- and going strong.
i use a simms fold up wood stove.
i really like the door setup, its vertical, so it stays dry- its not on an incline like the tipi tents.
easy to get in and out, load in firewood, pack bulky gear in and out etc etc- and there is a small door fly/awning option too- which is great.
having sloped sides it has less space to heat, but has tons of room.
it is very resilient in the wind- and really resists the blow due to its shape- even if the wind changes direction, you are not broadside to the wind like a traditional wall tent.
What Fujimo said.
homebru
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2017 Alaska camp, 12 man and 16 man Kifaru tipis both equipped with Ti 3 dog stoves.
Mike
Tent Smiths makes very good canvas tents, and their customer service is stellar. I got my rendezvous tent from them and have been very satisfied. I have a wedge tents but have friends that own both the wall tent and marquees. At rendezvous, lighting must be by candle latern, and that is sufficient to keep dampness from becoming an issue. There are many dealers that produce very nice tents, so finding a good tent will not be hard, but I most definitely prefer canvas over synthetic fabrics.
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I have a 10x10 Kodiak Canvas tent. It's a great tent, but doesn't come with a stove jack. I just bought a stove and going to buy the jack, and have to put it in myself. The only negative (which is a big one) is that my warranty will no longer be valid once I put it in. I'm looking forward to trying it out this winter. I'll post pics of the process if anybody is interested.
I would love to see how it comes out. Are you planning on going out the side or through the roof?
I'm planning on going out the side. I will most likely put a 90 degree elbow on the stove pipe. I just go the stove yesterday, so now I need to order a stove jack. It will probably be September before I get to it, but I will keep you posted!
I sewed my own stove jack into an Alaskan Guide 8 man ten. Though I am a sewing hack- it worked out great.
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I bought a Mesa Colorado stove for my 10x10 Kodiak Canvas tent. I will be ordering a stove jack in the next couple weeks and get it sewn in ASAP.
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If you're burning wood, make sure the roof is fire retardant! It's no fun to wake up to a big smoldering hole from sparks.
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Finally installed my stove jack today. The tent is ready for hunting camp next week!
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Used a speed stitcher and worked very nice once we got into a groove. (Have a friend if you do this)
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Kodiak Canvas wall tent. Easy to set up. Very sturdy and you don't have all the piles to take take up space. Great tent.
Meant don't have a lot of poles.
I have a Kodiak Canvas also. Great tent and very well designed and thought out (vents, screens, doors, etc). I have always used a Little Buddy heater to warm it up when needed. With the design of the doors it can stay fairly comfortable in warm weather too.
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I have a Kodiak Canvas also. Great tent and very well designed and thought out (vents, screens, doors, etc). I have always used a Little Buddy heater to warm it up when needed. With the design of the doors it can stay fairly comfortable in warm weather too.
I thought about getting a buddy heater but wasn't sure how they would fair in sub 20 degree temps. I'm weird too in that I just like the nostalgia of a fire.
I have a 10x12 canvas wall tent from Davis Tent out of Denver. Includes a vinyl 10x20 rain fly, which creates a a cooking area outside the tent of 10 wide x 8 deep. I have a 3/4 floor, with a small carpet which can be hauled out and shook, if necessary. The wood stove is a Davis as well, which looks like a std round iron cylinder stove. The frame system is traditional vs internal full frame, which IMHO helps to keep the tent down tight on uneven ground. Sleeps 3 tight with stove, 2 uber luxurious. All components from Davis are top notch. Add the military issue 9" angle tent stakes, and the tent is going nowhere in wind. I have had this tent for 5 years on numerous trips to Colorado and Utah. Works really well in snow, cold and wind. No worries.
A note on wall tent size. I went slightly smaller as it was sometimes a trick to find flat enough ground in mountainous terrain that allowed a good, tight pitch with the bigger tents. If you had two larger tents in camp, most often someone had to compromise on non-level ground. This can cause big problems in wind. Sometimes it is better to have two smaller tents in camp rather than one really large one.
We just spent 3 days camping in rain and heavy winds in a canvas wall tent with a 4 Dog stove. Never leaked and stayed warm and dry. Camp had plenty of dry seasoned firewood.