Has anyone used the simmons tree shark broadheads. They are have a concaved blade. They are 165 grains and have a blade width of 2 1/4 inches. these are huge. $30 for three. You can find them by going on simmonssharks.com then click on glue-on. scroll down until you find the biggest head. that is it. let me know what all you guys and gals think. I was thinking of using them for deer this year. Drake
There was a post about a year ago showing entrance and exit wounds produced by a Treeshark from a low weight bow. UGLY!!! I tried to search it and it must have rolled off the server. Maybe someone saved the pix.
Yes I have. They fly very nicely and quietly. Great for rabbits or other small game. Not meant for big game as I discovered with a rib hit on a deer.
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you got all that damage from hitting a rib ?
Larry,
I would have to take your position! Now I can't speek about the tree sharks, but I can tell you about the Interceptors and the Tiger Sharks! I have killed deer with both and they are hard to beet! If I can figure out this photo bucket deel then I will down load a picture that a budy took of a deer I killed a while back. He is a compound shooter and he was blown away with the size of the whole the Interceptor made. I wish the other guys would post some of those awesome simmons pictures that we have seen in the past.
Doug
Best broadhead I have ever used.I do not use the screw-in models however.The glue-on are much stronger and when used with adapters are super hogs and deer heads.
James,
I remember you posting a picture of a deer that you shot with a treeshark which darn near chopped the poor critter in half. It was seeing that photo that convince me to try one. Maybe I'll have a 2nd look at the glue-on version. What is different about the glue-on that makes it stronger?
OK, I went to the website and noticed that the blades and tip of the glue-on model are much better supported than that of the screw-in model.
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On the screw-in the blade is only supported on one thin place as you can see from the picyutes above.One the glue-on the blade is supported along the ferrel at the back of the blade.It is alwas easier to me to sharpen because the back of the blade does no flex as it does with the screw-in.I use the treeshark and the tigershark both in glue-on models and have no peoblems.Broke the hind leg bone on a good boar this year ay close to 30yds after passing through the ham on the near side.He saw me about the time the sting slipped from my hand and bolted.This is the finishing shot as made his way farther in the swamp.If you look close you can see a treeshark sticking out the front of the offside shoulder.This was 35yds with a 46lb bow.
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This hog was only 15 yards and the treeshark went through both shoulder blades and was lost in the canes never to be seen again.It cut the thick ridge in the blade on one side but missed it on the other.Simmons are made for a lot more than small game and don't take a heavy weight bow to use them either. :)
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T
Hmmm. Well if I get my wood shafts sorted out in time, maybe I'll those glue-ons this this spring on turkey and bear. Right now I've got my carbons (Beman Max4 340s) dialed in and set up for 125 grain screw-in BHs (usually slicktricks) with 100 grain brass inserts.
Hmmmm.......Damn I want to go hog hunting..
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I second what James said "BEST BROAD HEAD I'VE EVER USED". 18 years of Simmons Sharks for me. I've taken deer, hogs, bear, and elk with them. I try to check out everything that looks interesting in broadheads but always come back to the "SHARKS" To some-what quote MR. Lamb "I know what I like" Don
One the way in.
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And when it comes out. :)
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GOOD GOD!
Just for an idea of scale, how big is that deer?
Ditto - every time I see that picture it amazes me...freaking beautiful!!
HEH! Looks like I may have to try out a new broadhead!
I cant speak for the tree sharks, but I have killed 8 deer with the same land shark. I shoot the 160 grain. Never had a problem with one of them. I have tried other BH's and always seem to come back to the land shark. Just my 2 cents.
I have had the same results as James - I did not photograph the hits - should have - James you made my day!!!!!!!!!!<><
She was what is considered a good doe from around here.She was pretty old and maybe 120lbs live weight.17 yard shot with a 46lb drawn only about 22" because she was on the back side of the tree.Maybe 35lbs worth of draw weight.
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James
What do you use to sharpen your simmons with?
Benny
I think the Simmons sharpener is worth the money if you plan on useing these heads a lot.I have sharpened them with about everything but now I use the cardboard and felt whells to do it.It took a little bit to get it down but now it is very quick to get good results.
Cory I started taking pictures of what the simmons would do after the first couple of times I used them.I was a bit got away with to be honest. :) Now when someone tells me I need a little bitty broadhead for my lighter weight bows I just show them that ain't the case and be done with it. :D
Benny the corc stiks system will make an expert sharpener out of ANYBODY - get a set - I hit em with a file - then finish them off with the stiks
James - almost every member of my club has switched to simmons heads too - sure is fun to blood trail standing up!
Dude you are gettin after em - good job!
By the way Y'all - this is the best turkey head also - I cut a V backwards into the tip - this eliminates any glancing - and will just about cut a turkey in half - it is nice to hit a turkey and not worry too - you will be laughing instead of worrying next time you hit a gobbler!!!!
Wow!! you boys just sold me some simmons!! All of the pics are outstanding. Anybody tried the 190 interceptors? Those are the ones that kinda caught my eye.
Kyle
Ordering a set so I can compare with Eskimos(My current fav), I have a feeling that I'll be switching to Tree Sharks real soon.
Jeff
I used to shoot the intercepters but went to the tigershark in the 1 9/16th wide heads.They are much stronger with a better supported tip than the intercepters but give the same nice cut.I like the 135 on an aluminum adapter because it gives me a 175gn head and I can use 175gn feild points for tuneing.On my SSTs that gives me a perfect 500gn arrow that works well for my bow weights.Once you start down the simmons road it will be hard to ever get off it. :)
I use a Tiger Shark also but with a 100 grain SS adaptor for a total of 235 grains. These shoot great out of my Dakota. I found them difficult to sharpen at first but emailed Simmons and the reply was:
""use a half round file (6in.) then finish it off with ceramic rod. We make a sharpener just for these heads, the Steelmaster sharpener. You can see it on the website, it is very simple and easy to use and you can sharpen a head that is still attached to the arrow.""
Problem solved :readit:
Joe
Cory - good to see you post...
Cory recommended the Simmons Treesharks to me a couple of years ago, but after seeing how large they were - almost looked like a novelty head - I almost didn't use them. But, I knew Cory knows what he's talking about so I shot a few deer with them and he was right - they are awesome!
I've never had a treeshark blow up like the one in the pic flatmoMB posted. I did miss a deer almost straight down once and the broadhead hit a rock dead on. All it did was curl the tip some - I would expect any broadhead hitting a rock dead on to do the same. I do use the glue on version which looks stronger than the screw on.
Someone asked about the Innerceptor. I've killed one deer with it. I used the screw on for that kill and it worked fine. But, I would use the glue on if I bought anymore.
If I didn't use the tree shark I'd probably use the tiger shark. It is the same width as the Innerceptor but is a lttle shorter and looks stronger to me.
I really believe in a large two blade head - at least 1.5 " wide. The Ashby studies are what a lot of people base their broadhead choices on, but he focuses mainly on penetration and broadhead strength. For the areas I hunt(thick) and the animals I hunt(deer, hogs and turkeys), penetration is not an issue when using any two blade head. But a big old nasty hole in the animal is very important to me in order to maximize the blood trail so I can find a hit animal without to much trouble when he goes into a thick cutover or swamp. For me, the Simmons works really well for those situations. JMHO
longbowwally, very nice post.
I carry the 190 interceptor with a bleeder and the 190 Treeshark with bleeder (both screw in) on a regular basis. I've killed 5 big game animals with the 190 interceptor without failure of any sort. Two weeks ago I used one on the second shot to my goat, it broke both front leg bones and stuck in a cactus 10 yards away...still straight and huntable. A few strokes on the wheelie sharpener and it was as sharp as before the shot. I've had one penetrate a small buck's vertebrate, downing him, but the head came out unscathed and still as straight as the day I mounted it. All the rest, well it leaves enough blood to follow the trail by touch if necessary.
I've yet to kill anything with the big tree shark but I wouldn't hesitate to shoot it at any deer sized critter. On hogs, I probably wouldn't shoot it at a big one, even with the high horsepower bows I normally shoot but not because I would be worried about it bending but the big wide blade catching a legbone and not penetrating properly.
I've said this on other posts, but I think the Simmons are superb heads. They are the straightest "traditional head" I've ever owned, each and every one spun like a brand new field point. I find them very easy to sharpen, especially with their cheap wheelie sharpener. With the bleeder installed, it opens up most everything like a can of soup. I always have at least one in every quiver I carry, that says a lot.
Thanks Wally -- hey you guys inspired us to do a "Simmons Greatest Hits" notebook at the club!!!! James Those photos have me laughing OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My hunting buddy Matt Quick shot a hog last month and cut the heart in Half! - after the usual 7 inch entry and 7 inch exit ---- we should have photographed that one.
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So now that I have seen the damage these things cause, I want to try some as well. However, I have a question, are the vented ones very noisy in flight?
I was thinking about the tiger sharks, but wondering about the in flight noise caused by those small vents.
Here are a couple more. I shot this doe with the 160 grain land sharks
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And Exit. I will never switch from these heads.
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Cory a buddy of ours switched last year after inspecting Wally and my quiver at the 3d.He shot 3 deer and saids he had to put the tail gate up on his truck because he was embarresed for anyone to see so much blood. :)He is another treeshark man now and won't shoot anything else.JC don't worry about shooting those hogs with the treeshark.
Cory,
Do you have a picture of what you do to the tip for turkeys? I can't quite figure out what you are saying...
Looks like I'm not the only one who has a morbid attraction to these broadheads!!!!
Jchunt4ever - never had a noise problem with any of the Simmons.
Steve I do not have a picture and I am computer stupid --- but try this: Clamp the arrow in a work bench like a black & decker - from the tip straight back "nub" the tip - like many of us use to do a long time ago when broadhead metal was soft - small is OK - wider is OK (remember to start with a shaft that spins true - cause you can't spin it after this) - after it is flat across the front - lean up the center filing a "v" into the tip - 1/3 inch wide is nice if you can get it. You will have fantastic results on turkeys - these don't bounce off
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Nope. Can't complain about the noise or flight with the treesharks I tried - I just wish I hadn't opted for the screw-in model. The setup I used with that destroyed head was a total arrow weight of 650 grains and a 74 lb longbow.
Man after seeing the pics posted on this thread I may have to rethink the Snuffers for my fall black bear hunt and go with the 4 blade 160 Land Sharks.
Alright i gotta try em. But!!! i got a question, lol. I did some reading on ashbys reports recently and he makes it seem that a two blad is the only way to go, especially in regards to penetration. Are most of yall using the bleeders? I learned real quick this year that i want an exit hole. I shoot a 58 # bob lee, moving a 450 grain arrow at 195 fps. Do i have anything to worry about using the bleeders on deer and hogs up to about 150 lbs?
thanks
kyle
I sure wouldn't think so! I would personally want a bit more total arrow weight myself though. Dude that's not even 8 grains per pound.
It was good enough to pass through a doe and hog with a b-52 two blade :D . Dont be fooled into thinking you gotta have a heavy arrow. I suppose i should have also asked the setup that yall are using with the bleeders.
Kyle
I don't use the bleeders on the big ones.Really no need since they cut so much and they are easier to work in the quiver.The doe in the picture was shot with a screw-in and did have the bleeders but that is the only time I have used them since the glue-on is not slotted for bleeders.
I never used the bleeders either. They are a pain to fool with in my opinion.
Bleeders are counterproductive. The paper thin material simply twists and turns into an anchor.
The last 3 shots with the 190 interceptors have been with bleeders, no problems...total pass through on all three. I like the extra cutting surface. But then, the last three have been out of my 64@27" Morrison with 650gr total arrow weight.
JC, care to share what animals those shots were on? Javies, hogs, and goats im guessing?
Kyle
The last 3 animals that got a "close up" of the Simmons 190 w/bleeders were: 1 Javie, 1 deer, and 1 goat. Oh, and I forgot, the goat was shot with a lil ol 57@27" shrew and 540gr arrows and it still broke the bones and sailed through.
I shot a moose at 40 yards with a #65 bow with the 160 interceptor glue on with a 125 steel adapter total arrow weight was 710 the arrow passed thru and was buried 4 inches deep 15 yards pass the moose in the ground.. it's the only head I hunt with...
Well I guess I have to go the other way.I shot Sharks and had dismal results I couldn't find replacement bleeder blades and I live about 30 min.from where they make them. Poor blood trails with the 2 blade and the land sharks are fragile When I first started using them I thought they were the holy grail by the end of the season I had cleaned them out of my bow box.Oh did I mention they flew erratic.
Sorry you had problems Mr. Drake. Knock on wood but 18 years and 49 big game animals, ALL shot with the bleeders. I've never lost an animal that was the broadheads fault and have recovered several that was all because of the Sharks, after yours truly screwed up. I personally don't want to shoot anything else. Not bragging by no means, just my humble opinion. Don
Byron furgeson shoots the 190 grain interceptor...Charlie
sry to hijack this but i need a 125 grain, screw in head to spine my arrows correctly, has anyone tried the razorsharks, they said they were thicker and a tad wider then my stingers so i was thinking about trying them. how long are they
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