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Title: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Ethain from PEI on March 16, 2007, 04:51:00 PM
It seems every time I use them the arrow bends or the nock breaks or the head gets shoved up into the shaft. I guess I'll have to wait for summer and start building woodies  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Otto on March 16, 2007, 04:54:00 PM
Been shooting alum for 20 yrs.  Never a problem except with the thinwalled 12 -14 series shafts.  What are you shooting?
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Bowspirit on March 16, 2007, 05:18:00 PM
Could be that it's not the dimensions of the shaft, but the model. Those Fall/ Gold Stalker's from Easton have the strength of soft cheese...
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: mcgroundstalker on March 16, 2007, 05:31:00 PM
My grandmother used to say "Ya can't hate what you didn't love first"...Aluminum ain't that bad!...I think you just need a reason to have some fun with woodies... :rolleyes: ...

GE-WIZ!...I was told I went over to the "dark side" when I started shooting carbon arrows...

... mike ... :wavey: ...
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 16, 2007, 05:31:00 PM
I have never liked aluminum. If ya target shoot and hunt big game they hold up well, but even the heavies 2219s and such never held up for me. I stump shoot a lot and my choices are carbon first, wood second, fiberglass third and than aluminum. It is just a personal preference. Shawn
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: JEFF B on March 16, 2007, 05:37:00 PM
i will shoot any thing as long as it will shoot out of my bows.LOL!!!  :thumbsup:    :archer:
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Lewis Brookshire III on March 16, 2007, 05:37:00 PM
I have never liked Allum either. They just bend too easy for my liking.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: JEFF B on March 16, 2007, 05:39:00 PM
hey it depends on what you hit with it lewis. LOL  :archer:
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Lewis Brookshire III on March 16, 2007, 06:02:00 PM
LOL, very true!!

Hey by the way my wife has been begging me to move our family to NZ for like the last 3 years. She is in LOVE with that place and she has never even been there. LOL
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Scooter Trash on March 16, 2007, 06:41:00 PM
I really like hunting with my aluminum arrows.  2216 swagged are very durable. That is my favorite combo. Only drawback is they can be a little chilly to handle on late season hunt.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Recurve50LBS on March 16, 2007, 06:49:00 PM
If you tell me what aluminum shafts you are shooting I may take them off your hands for you.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Scott Smith on March 16, 2007, 07:26:00 PM
What aluminum are you shooting? I would guess
that they aren't XX78 or X7. They are a cut above
the rest. Some cheap aluminum are exactly that
cheap aluminum. Also the size's play a great
deal too. Just another opinion.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Bowspirit on March 16, 2007, 07:31:00 PM
Nothing wrong with the XX75's, either...
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: NightHawk on March 16, 2007, 07:32:00 PM
I really like the legacy shafts. Wouldn't mind having them swedged just don't know how
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: j yenney on March 16, 2007, 07:59:00 PM
I can't say one bad thing about aluminum if they are eastons. But rocks,trees,ect. are hard on any arrow.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: KodiakBob on March 16, 2007, 08:02:00 PM
Gotta shoot X7s anything less is too soft. For target use nibs points
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Otto on March 16, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
Gotta disagree with you KodiakBob.

The dif between XX75's, XX78's and X7's is pure marketing spin.  96K psi tensile strength to 105K psi tensile strength is an increase of 10%, but hardly significant.  Wall thickness has a greater bearing on aluminum durability.  Stay with the shafts with 18-20 thousanths wall thickness and you can't go wrong.  I've got a dozen OLD gamegetters in 2018 that I've been shooting for years.  Those are OLD gamegetters made from 6065 alum.  Tensile strength on those old shafts was about 65K psi.  Again, unless like others said, if you're hitting rocks, ain't much any shaft material is gonna help.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Scooter Trash on March 16, 2007, 08:55:00 PM
Otto

Gotta love those old gamegetters.  Are yours in Autum Orange.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: schnitz on March 16, 2007, 09:03:00 PM
them stalker ars difeerent aloy then the other alluns good for huntin though seems like the camo one are stronger  shot a nice buck this year though the shoulder blade with a 2219 and 78 lbs just bent the tip some can still shoot the arrow
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Rusty in Fla. on March 16, 2007, 10:16:00 PM
I shoot 2016's and 2018's depending on which bow I'm using. They shoot well, BUT. They just ain't got no soul. There is something warm about handling a nice POC arrow.

    Rusty <><
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: PigStikker on March 16, 2007, 11:31:00 PM
They can have my aluminum arrows when they pry them from my cold, dead hands!   N-E-Way, Aluminums are great, even against some rocks, but they don't seem to fare too well against steel plated transformer boxes (which are unfortunately located behind my McKenzie Javelina, outside my property line).   :)

Matt
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Rico on March 17, 2007, 12:54:00 AM
Another plus for woodies they're non conductive
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Tree man on March 17, 2007, 01:45:00 AM
Pigstikker, If you are shooting aluminium you WILL have cold hands. HaHa
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: 6 POINT on March 17, 2007, 07:05:00 AM
I felt the same way. Went to Easton Axis ST's and have never looked back. They are VERY tough and are actually very cheap as the only ones I have to replace are those that I've lost (2 in the last year and a half).
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: JL on March 17, 2007, 08:20:00 AM
I'm with Shawn on this one. I shot alum's for a long time untill I started shooting carbons. Don't get me wrong, alum's are OK but carbons outlast alum's 3 to 1 in the field. I have shot stumps with alum's out of my Border TD and have them bend just from impact. Found I had to pass on any close (20 yards or closer) stumps when shooting alum's. I got a bucket full of alum's and just ordered more carbons because it allows me to shoot what I want, when I want to. Carbons airn't the say all as I have had the fail also (mainly inserts come loose and get shoved back thru the shaft) but they do last longer out of my bows.

JL
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: bayoulongbowman on March 17, 2007, 08:29:00 AM
ur using the wrong shafts!!!!!!!!!!! there are buckets of Alum around my shop.. :)
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: redfish on March 17, 2007, 08:29:00 AM
Ethain, from your description, it sounds like you might want to try finding softer stuff to hit.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: ckruse on March 17, 2007, 08:44:00 AM
I've not had the great luck with carbons. The first time I hit a really hard stump with a GT, it sent the insert up inside the shaft.   :scared:  Autumn orange has been my worst affliction (which are XX75, not Gamegetter), but I've also recently got some NOS 24SRT-X to build some "period correct" arrows for some of my hunting exploits with my vintage Bears and Pearsons. Easton introduced that shaft in 1946. Whatever you shoot make sure they are  properly matched, straighten up quick, and are tipped with a razor sharp broadhead. CKruse
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: George D. Stout on March 17, 2007, 12:23:00 PM
I'm not sure if you folks are aware of this, but you don't have to shoot only one type of arrow.  I kinda' like having all sorts of them around the house.  

CKruse....the newer Platinum arrows are rather nice as well; very reminiscent of the old silver aluminum shafts (Swift and 24SRTX).
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Otto on March 17, 2007, 01:41:00 PM
Scootertrash

Man I wish they were Autumn Orange.  Mine are the old camo versions.  Those Autumn Oranges were beautiful shafts.  Me and a slew of other folks would love to see Easton bring those back.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Scooter Trash on March 18, 2007, 07:20:00 PM
I got six 2018's in autumn orange left over from the late 1980's.  They have been refletched several times and are full of dents and bends but I still shoot them from time to time. Really wish they still made those and the classic.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Jeff Strubberg on March 20, 2007, 11:06:00 AM
Took me 8 years to go through five dozen autumn orange 2117's.  Plenty durable if you stay away from the lightweight shafts.

Just switched to carbon this winter and, other than having to adjust just about every component for a trad bow, I am impressed.  So far I have lost two in an open grass field and broken exactly one, eight yards into a solid concrete wall.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: BobCo 1965 on March 20, 2007, 11:35:00 AM
I pretty much only shoot aluminums. Never a problem for me. Like everyone has said, stay with the thicker walled aluminums if possible.
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Chortdraw on March 20, 2007, 01:26:00 PM
I also like Alum. Like Wolfman said, depends on what you hit with them. Keep em in the soft part and the won't bend  :biglaugh:  

Chort
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Woodduck on March 20, 2007, 11:38:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by George D. Stout:
I'm not sure if you folks are aware of this, but you don't have to shoot only one type of arrow.  I kinda' like having all sorts of them around the house.
Me too...I like whatever bareshafts, then I pick the one that seems flatter/faster. (sorry, never bought a chrony   :o )

All of my bows have a favorite arrow. That's part of the fun of a new bow; getting the best arrow.

Keeps me happy  >>>----->  and out of trouble.
 :archer:
Title: Re: I hate aluminum arrows!
Post by: Brian Krebs on March 21, 2007, 12:28:00 AM
I don't know how the smart folks do/did it; but I used to take a target/field/blunt tip; and hacksaw off all but an 1/8 of an inch of it; and then put a rubber blunt over it.
That way my stump shooting saved my aluminum arrows from wrecking too much.
If you just slip the rubber blunt on without a flat surface; the arrow can pass through the blunt; and ruin the arrow or worse.
I shoot some gamegetters once and a while; but I pretty much stick to the sticks; I like POC and like they say- wood has a 'soul'.
 If your shooting metal blunts- your going to be held accountable for it on rocks and such.
 I really liked the 2216 - and I went through a lot of autumn orange ones over the years  :)