Has anyone taken deer with a 43# @28' recurve at my 26.5 draw it would be about 38# my range is 20 yards and under.
Yeah. Here is a self cedar bow that is 40#s at 28in About 12 yds.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v107/doublelung/UltimateExperience.jpg)
I killed 2 in 06-07 season with a 40#@27 selfbow , one at 5 yds and one at 20 yds,I recovered both,one was a complete pass through.
The other hit bone, it was the 5 yd. one :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Man I never did it with a stick bow but I did with a wheel back in 96. Just imagine a broad head tipped arrow with a 20lb rock on it I bet that would drive it 6 inches deep into any whitetail
My wife has a 36# Mikuta longbow that I hunted with a few years ago (I was having shoulder problems) I never killed anything with it but with 40-45# Chundoo arrows tipped with SHARP 125gr. 2 blade Zwickey Eskimos,I NEVER felt "under-bowed"
I don't see a problem Jim..... :thumbsup:
niiiiiiiiice,
I'm thinking about buying my dad one in that weight range,
he had surgery in both shoulders,
what arrow weight would you guys reccommend
for bows 40# and under??
While I'm not a REAL HEAVY arrow advocate.....I think about 10-12 grains per pound of draw wt. is fine. :thumbsup:
(Those chundoo arrows with 125gr. Zwickeys weighed about 450 grains)
QuoteOriginally posted by buck-tamer00:
niiiiiiiiice,
I'm thinking about buying my dad one in that weight range,
he had surgery in both shoulders,
what arrow weight would you guys reccommend
for bows 40# and under??
depending on length, 1816 if you cut em around 27-28, fer heavy go with the ever so strange 1913/14, and if you want a heavy arra, go for a long 1916 with a lot of weight up front
Im sure it is enough Stoneknife. Ny has a minimum req. of 35#.
28".
what arrow could add up to 450g with a 100g point,
and how much penetration would my dad be able to get??
i shot my first deer when i was 10 yr.old with a osage selfbow, under 40 lbs at my draw. my draw back then was around 24 or so. i shot the doe at 15 yards with a grizzle broadhead, complete penetraton and she only went 50ish yards.
how heavy was your arrow??
QuoteOriginally posted by buck-tamer00:
28".
what arrow could add up to 450g with a 100g point,
and how much penetration would my dad be able to get??
ok dude, i actually got up and found my easton book for this one....
1916 @ 29"(youll want the extra inch to save yer fingers at full draw, with the adrenaline pumpin you can overdraw VERY easily)
anyway a 29" 1916 shaft weights 290 grains, so well tally it up
shaft-290
point-125 grain broadhead
insert-23 grains(eastons measurement)
super uni bushing-9 grains
nock-13
feathers-13.5 grains-5" w/ 3 fletch
thats a total of 473.5, with a 125, go to a hundred and all you gotta do is add a wrap to get your 450, enjoy :bigsmyl:
allright!!!!
thats all the info i need!!!,
thanks man!!!
Jim, Why would you want to try to hunt with 38#'s if your physically able to pull a lot more bud?
Yeah, It can be done and has been done. IMHO you're asking for trouble when you don't have to.
The woods are not a testing ground to see how light we can go and still kill something.
My opinion.... Shoot a heavier bow bud :thumbsup:
I have a friend that killed his first deer with a 32# recurve.
killed one last year with a #46 @ 27" self bow called wild fire. real nice bow shot it at 15 -20 yards. :thumbsup: as long as you get close and shoot straight and can handle the bow no problem.
when I was buying my very first laminated stickbow I talked with Jerry Dishion who use to make the stotler bows and I was very concerned about 45@27 but still worried about being overbowed with what people told me I should get a 55# bow.. Jerry laughed and said he killed 17 deer with a 37# longbow one year..
Here's Laura's pic again...43# @ 26", 500 grain Beman 27" MFX arrrow with a four blade Phantom....two holes.
(http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a322/Arrowworks/Lauras1stbuck.jpg)
QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:
Jim, Why would you want to try to hunt with 38#'s if your physically able to pull a lot more bud?
Yeah, It can be done and has been done. IMHO you're asking for trouble when you don't have to.
The woods are not a testing ground to see how light we can go and still kill something.
My opinion.... Shoot a heavier bow bud :thumbsup:
Guru, back in '81 when I started hunting deer with a bow the only bow I had was my fathers Pearson Predator recurve, at 40#/28", which he could no longer shoot, and gave to me. I couldn't afford a new bow, and it was legal per Texas regs. I wound up killing over a dozen deer with that bow, with many pass thurs. The only deer I lost was because of a paunch hit. Maybe this is Jim's situation. Or, maybe he built his own bow and wants to use it.
Given it's capability, there's no reason not to hunt with such a bow. Whether you hit a shoulder with a 40# or 60# bow, you're in for trouble regardless. After 26 yrs hunting with recurves, Ive grown more concerned with accuracy, shot placement, the deers behavior at the time of the shot, and ethical shot distances rather than poundage.
BTW, I still take the Pearson out every season during our late doe season. It shoots just as sweet today as it did back then. A well placed arrow tipped with a razor sharp bh shot out of a legal hunting weight recurve is all one needs to successfully and quickly killvest a deer and other like sized game, providing we stay w/in our accurate & ethical limits. :)
Jim, you have a responsiblity to become the best, most confident archer you can be. In doing that, apply what you can achieve with confidence when you do hunt, and stay w/in your limits. When you goof, and we all have (and do), learn from it. It's by such examples we will continue to enjoy growth in our arena of traditional bowhunting, and proudfully so.
Enjoy hunting with your bow, Jim. When you killvest something with it, please share it with us. -Zano
I shot one last year that was behind the tree.One arm on one side of the tree and one on the other with belly against the trunk.Could only draw about 22" at best.About 35lbs at that length.I put a 2" wide treeshark through her with no prblem and busted up the brisket on exit.It don't take much to kill a deer.
In 1972 I traded for a wood A-riser Bear takedown with a No. 1 set of 43# limbs. I took my first bowkilled whitetail that fall with that bow and a Bear 308 magnum Alum arrow tipped with a bear razorhead. As I draw about 27", I probably was pulling about 41#. The deer, a 5-point, went about 60yds before going down. The next year I traded those limbs for a No.3 60# set and have shot in that weight range ever since. Shore wish I still had that old Bear!
i read an article in tbm of this one kid that killed his spiked deer with his dweyer defiant longbow, cx thunderstorn arrow and a 125g eclipse broadhead,
he said that he hit both lungs, but it took him till the next day to be able to retrieve it,
oyea,
his bow drew 33lbs at 26".
hope this helps
Here is what a light bow is capable of in skilled hands. Shanon shot this moose with a 41# curve and draws 27".
Look at the broadhead photo. It was bent hitting the far shoulder bones. No arrow goes thru big moose bones from any bow.
The link to the review with this story is attached.
http://peteward.com/test.stalker.html
(http://peteward.com/rodneystalker/shannon1.JPG)
(http://peteward.com/rodneystalker/blade.JPG)
Shannon is lucky .........
I have hunted deer and javie with 41-45# with a 24in. draw and have several passthroughs with my 1816 and 125 magnus heads, sharp and the right spot.
My Dad shoots 44#@24" and stuff falls down and dies. Interesting anecdote. An old Government trapper called up dad(Ed Scott-Owl Bows) and asked if he could sinew an old wooden bow to get more drawweight and performance from it. Dad said most likely yes. So the guy sends the bow which he "guesses draws 35lbs" at his 27 inch draw. Dad gets it and discovers an old all wood youth bow that has held together for decades of being overdrawn. It has 3 inches of stringfollow and draws 28# @ 27". The owner said that he had killed several deer with it-usually the arrow stayed in but the broadhead stuck out the far side. Dad heated and straightened the limbs a little and sinewed it and got the guy 40@27 with a little reflex....but it was killing deer at 28 inefficient pounds.
You won't have any trouble with whitetails. Before the confound devices came out, most bows were 45#...check Bear Archery History. I lived through those years and hunted with 40 and 45 pound bows, so I know what they can do.
As an aside, I've seen some of those heavy bow guys struggling to get a 26" draw from a 70 pound longbow. A lighter bow fully drawn is probably more efficient than such a short-drawn monster.
I never said it couldn't be done...I know it can and guys do it all the time....my point was why do it, if you don't have to.
Biggie :scared:
I have referred so many folks who shoot compounds to what Pete Ward has wrote and reported on his site. Too many folks think that you have to have #70 to shoot something that only needs 6-8 inches of pen. to kill it. I really think that if your broadhead is sharp and your arrows shoot good and it makes your states min. use it! Too many folks mis out cause they think that they do not have enough weight to kill deer.
Chris Kiefner
I agree Chris. Once you learn a little cut is what kills you no longer need to worry about numbers like weight,KE and such.They really have no place for the things most of us get a chance to hunt with a bow.Cutting them in the right place is all that matters and most people can do that better with a little less draw weight. jmo
the only problem that I seem to have with lighter poundage is my release is not as good as it is with a heavier poundage bow. I do not know if it is something that is mental or what the story is. I do know, I do not shoot the lower weight as much so that is certainly part of it I would suspect. But the more you practice(or me) the less this would be a problem I would think. Sorry for the rant.
Chris Kiefner
Read about all the great female gender that contribute to Traditional Bowhunter,it's shooting a heavy arrow with a razzzzzer sharp head and good shotplacement with a arraw that shoots like a dart,and keeping your shots under 20 yards. Pete
I use a 45lb @28" drawing around 29. Its more than enough.
Scott
shoot as heavy a bow as you can WITHOUT hurting yourself. for some thats only 40 lbs, for others thats 100 lbs plus,
btw, is 35# the min in every state for deer?
It is here in NY, but I'd imagine that there are some with 40-45 lb. minimums; prolly where there are bigger game besides deer roaming about...
Here in MO I think it is 40# maybe 45 probably 40 though.
Matt, they dropped the minimum requirement a few years back. Now you just have to use your good sense! How unlike the government to trust you to do that.
My son shoots 38 pounds at 24", and got 16 inches of penetration on a buck twice his size this last season. The broadhead stopped under the far side ribs but almost poked out. That was with a compound though, he's just too small for a stick...yet.
Ia has none TX is 40#
Well i now own a #43 @28 wing redwing 52" long. I was on flea bay last night and had been watching the bow but wasn't sure if i wanted it(that is what i told the wife ;) ) Any how i bid a dollar higher than the highest bidder and i won a new toy. Don't think I'll hunt deer with it i just wanted a short re curve and the price was right. I am going to buy one at 45-48 pounds 58" long to play with also.
Oh no Stone.Look whats become of you!A helpless bow junky.What next,building self bows?You should be ashamed of yourself!!!!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh:Enjoy yourself man.
Tell me about it, must be when i saw all the different types of bow at the bunny hunt something snapped. :scared: I can quit any time i want.
QuoteOriginally posted by SlowBowinMO:
Matt, they dropped the minimum requirement a few years back. Now you just have to use your good sense! How unlike the government to trust you to do that.
My son shoots 38 pounds at 24", and got 16 inches of penetration on a buck twice his size this last season. The broadhead stopped under the far side ribs but almost poked out. That was with a compound though, he's just too small for a stick...yet.
I'm glad you set me straight on that. I really thought it was 40#. To bad it wasn't like that when I was that age. I had a Browning fox compound when I was 8 years old at 35#. That would of been fun to be able to take one back then. I am looking into getting a longbow at 45#. I have a plate and 6 screws in my shoulder and really don't want to risk hurting it and being out of work.
My buddy took a few deer with a 37# longbow. he kept his hsots at 15yds or so and used sharp BH's in the right spot. Never lost a deer with that set up.
For the record, he thought the bow was heavier, it was given to him by a friend. It was labeled 50#'s. Just recently i was shooting it and said "no way is this 50#'s". we looked closer and it was 50#@31".....he never knew he was "underbowed" either did the deer he killed!
not with a trad bow, but with a compound...my first 2 deer were killed w/ 40#. the first was a doe at 40yd, the second was a 5pt at 18 yd. Although you do not need 40# to kill a deer, I personally feel (IMHO) that anything lighter and past 20yds is unethical.
I have never even shot at a deer with a bow past 20 yards. I wouldn't take a shot at anything that i felt i couldn't kill cleanly, i like my game close real close that's why i bow hunt.
To add to the anecdotal evidence - the quickest kill I ever made was with a 45 lb bear recurve on a 650 lb elk. It went 20 yards after the shot.
This was back in the 70's and it never occurred to me that I was underbowed. I'm sure there were some, but I didn't know anyone shooting high poundage bows at whitetails in those days. It was a very common notion back then, that you wanted the arrow to remain in the chest to wreck more havoc on the internal organs. True or not, that recurve was more than enough bow to get the job done.
QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:
I never said it couldn't be done...I know it can and guys do it all the time....my point was why do it, if you don't have to.
Biggie :scared:
For the same reason(s) why we hunt ~ even though we don't "have" to? :)
My arrow, insert, broadhead-field point ( both weigh 165gr), fletchings and nock all add up to 519.6 grains. I'm shooting a 30.5 inch Beman center-shot from a 45lb bow. Too heavy? About right? Comments?
I would say it's better to shoot a bow you're comfortable with than the heaviest weight you can draw without hurting yourself. I can draw a 50 lb bow, but I can hold at draw comfortably with my 40 lb, and I know it's going to go where I want.
Also, in addition to using a heavy arrow with a sharp broadhead, remember that it's important to have the arrow properly tuned to your bow! I've seen guys shooting heavier bows at targets and the arrow just falls out when my arrows are buried so deep they're hard to remove. You can draw 60 lbs, but if your arrow isn't well matched, you won't get efficient energy transfer and some of that extra poundage is just wasted. Tuning is even more important with a lighter bow, where you have less energy to waste.
QuoteOriginally posted by Guru:
[QB] Jim, Why would you want to try to hunt with 38#'s if your physically able to pull a lot more bud?
Yeah, It can be done and has been done. IMHO you're asking for trouble when you don't have to.
"The woods are not a testing ground to see how light we can go and still kill something."
X10, Guru is right on the money on this one. Never understand it either :dunno:
These threads get so old and I really don't understand why somebody would bring a thread up that is 7+ years old unless they are wanting to stir up trouble. Nope don't get it at all!
Tracy
I don't think shooting the heaviest bow you can without hurting yourself is using the very best word choice, although the statement's driving principle is spot on. I would revise that and state that someone should shoot/hunt with the heaviest bow that they can shoot accurately. I am settled in on the +-55lb range, seeing as I'm a deer/elk/turkey and hopefully someday moose hunter and not cape buffalo/bison/rhino hunter. I can draw and shoot with much more (65-70lbs), but that doesn't mean my arrows will go where I want. One day when I am unable to shoot a 55-60lb bow accurately I will move down to a 45-50lb range and be completely confident in my setup for the same game.
Why did this thread pop back up 7.5 years later :knothead:
I wish I could shoot my bows of 40+ years ago when I thought 65# was the norm. Now turning 69 years old in a month, I'm not quite ready for the rocking chair. Well maybe a wheel chair as I'm sitting/typing here recovering from back surgery/spinal stenosis. It boils down to that I Can Not pull over 45#. For the time being luckily I don't have to worry about that because I Can still hunt with my 40-45# traditional bows. This discussion should be try to hunt ethically & physically to your best ability. These statements will end up pushing some of our traditional bowhunters toward using bows with wheels. I want to feel welcome here and not give up my traditional roots. JMHO...tippit
I'm only 55 years old but still hunt with a 45# bow but I do have a few light weights put aside for the day I cant hunt with that weight practically.
A respectful debate is healthy and honorable. It actually makes a very good, thought provoking read right up to the point where people loose perspective and the conversation turns into something else.
I'm not commenting specifically on why this thread was resurrected but being relatively new I've come to value reading thoughtful posts from both sides of more topics than I could have imagined alone.
Jeff I hope you get a great result from your surgery and heal quick!
Discussion is enjoyable enough but I shoot 42 pounds and there won't be any debate about it. LOL
I ordered 45 but it came in at 42. Do you think the deer will notice the difference?
I have several bows ranging from 55# to 65# but they mostly just sit on the shelf.
We talk a lot about "accuracy" and we hear about it but, when we look around, (or at ourselves) it isn't something we actually see very much of.
QuoteOriginally posted by BWallace10327:
I don't think shooting the heaviest bow you can without hurting yourself is using the very best word choice, although the statement's driving principle is spot on. I would revise that and state that someone should shoot/hunt with the heaviest bow that they can shoot accurately. I am settled in on the +-55lb range, seeing as I'm a deer/elk/turkey and hopefully someday moose hunter and not cape buffalo/bison/rhino hunter. I can draw and shoot with much more (65-70lbs), but that doesn't mean my arrows will go where I want. One day when I am unable to shoot a 55-60lb bow accurately I will move down to a 45-50lb range and be completely confident in my setup for the same game.
Maybe it's the engineer and tradesman in me but I believe in the right tool for the right job. I can hit "ok" with my 55# bow but I better with 45#.
I don't get to hunt anything bigger than a whitetail and most of what I shot is smaller. the one thing that's really lacking is a place to hunt to, truth be told, I shoot more paper and foam than anything. I've never lost a deer for too little weight...only poor hits.
The last animal I hit and failed to recover was a squirrel. Do you think it's because I wasn't shooting enough weight? LOL
I have about decided that I am never going to shoot a bow over about 41lbs again. I have not shot a deer with a bow at the weight mentioned, but don't see any reason why it wouldn't be just fine. I'm tired of struggling with bow weight. After getting a set of mid-30 weight limbs to work on shooing three under and gapping, and realizing that there is no way that I've ever been able to properly execute good shots with 45-60lb bows because of this, I'm going to put together the fastest ILF 40lb setup I can figure out for next season and be done with it.
The gentleman who introduced me to traditional bow hunting has shot deer and elk with 40 to 45 pound longbows and cedars/two blade heads. I think it's plenty as long as you use an average two blade broadhead.
That being said, if you can shoot more I definitely would!
Wow...didn't realize how old this thread was!
I have shot a 40# longbow all season this year....and I only draw 27". I have taken 5 deer with this setup....including one big bodied mature buck.....all had two holes in em.
I shoot a sharp two blade broadhead...with a very well tuned arrow and keep my shots reasonable....for me and my setup its 20 yards and in. And I feel very confident in the bow and its poundage doing the job...as long as i do mine.
If I was hunting anything bigger than deer I might move up a few pounds....and I am very capable of doing so. I just dont like to shoot heavier poundage bows....so Im gonna stick with my light weight rig. Works for me!