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Title: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: The Ursus on March 07, 2007, 01:36:00 PM
Is there a standard for determining how much runnout is acceptable.  I've been "shaft-shoot'n" a bunch of Doug. Fir and some of them look a little squirly.  

Thanks
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: Orion on March 07, 2007, 02:07:00 PM
Doug fir is pretty tough and won't break as easily as cedar if the grain runs off the shaft.  However, I personally wouldn't use any shaft that has grain that runs totally across the shaft at some poinit.  It would probably hold together, but I don't want to be the one to find out.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: The Ursus on March 07, 2007, 02:27:00 PM
Yeah, that's what I figured.  Most all the shafts I have made have looked pretty good but there's a couple that were obviously less than perfect.  Mabye I'll start another random shaft pile for shafts like that.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 07, 2007, 02:28:00 PM
Orion I've had the opposite experince with Douglas Fir. Of the few I have made, they seem to break easier than cedar. I had one hit the target and just apparently not want to stay in one piece anymore. It hit and the back half flew back 5 feet. Perhaps we have a different quality douglas fir.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: Orion on March 07, 2007, 02:35:00 PM
Ursus:  Some wavyness is OK, even grain that runs off, if it doesn't go all the way across the shaft, will probably be OK.

Luke V:  Good point.  I did get a batch of Doug fir a while ago that was very brittle.  Fella I got it from said he doweled them from 80-100 year old timbers acquired through some sort of building demolition.  I think the stuff was just too dried out.  That's the only time it's ever happened to me, but perhaps Doug fir is susceptible to overdrying and becoming brittle.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: The Ursus on March 07, 2007, 02:54:00 PM
One interesting thing, I've found, is that the DF shafts that I've made with the Shaft Shooter have come out very straight!  As good or better than the cedars I used to buy.  I can't wait to get some stain on a few of them, the grain should look really cool.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: Steve H. on March 07, 2007, 03:07:00 PM
Luke,

I have a few more hickories ready to "shoot" and three Bubinga ready for you to attempt, more if they work out.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: SCATTERSHOT on March 07, 2007, 03:10:00 PM
Ursus, I can't give you a definitive answer to your question, but if you are making your own, why even take the chance?
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: The Ursus on March 07, 2007, 03:31:00 PM
Scatt- Yeah, I might take that road too.  At less than $.50 a shaft it's no biggie if I have to toss a few.  Garden stakes maybe...

Steve I'll run that hickory real soon.  I need some heavy spined shafts.  Maybe I'll swing by and get more wood from you.
Title: Re: Grain runnout on Doug. Fir shafts?
Post by: Luke Vander Vennen on March 07, 2007, 04:17:00 PM
Orion it could be that they over-dried in my basement. I had them down there for a while, and put the finish on them down there. It would make sense.