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Title: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 01:56:00 AM
Ok... so theres actually like 1000 steps but for those of us who are not detail oriented here are the bare bones:

1: find an old file that has the right carbon content (or get a piece of 0-1 or comperable  steel)

2: take five seconds and trace the file on to a piece of paper (so you have something to do while your wating for the file to cool over night)

3: find yourself some hot coals (I used my fireplace) and get that file red hot (technically only heat it until it reaches "nonmagnetic" but this is the 6 step method) and then bury that sucker in a big ol pile of hardwood ash (which was conveniently located all over the fireplace for me, but seriously this is the most important part so have a pile of good ashes ready...)
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 01:56:00 AM
4: Grind, sand, and file that bad boy into whatever shape you drew while you wated the 12-24 hours for the thing to cool and re-granulate (made up word)
-you did wait 24hours didnt you? (those blisters on your fingertips will be gone in a day or two... i guess the ash is a good insulator huh? uh... not that i know...)

5: once you've gotten it shaped sanded and polished down to like 300grit and cut your blade bevle (i'm not sure if this is what you're supposed to do, but i figured it would be a HECK of a lot easier to get rid of the metal while it was soft.)

toss it back in the fire heat it up to red hot again (read non-magnetic) and then quench it in oil (no mom, i have no idea where ALL the vegitable oil went) also you may want to place the oil off to one side of your fireplace to avoid burning your whole house down. (just my .02)

6: Polish her up, put on a handle, procede to gut the next cute furry thing that you rain silent death down on.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:00:00 AM
so now your saying to yourself, "RHiNo... thats great but directions are so hard to follow without a couple pictures to clear things up..."


...what's that you say citizen... you'd like some pictures....?

ok, I can handle that!

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0126.jpg)

(this has nothing to do with the knife but check out the "a mouse ate my shooting glove" post you'll understand)
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:04:00 AM
ok now you're gonna have to figure out steps 1-3 on your own b/c i didnt take any pictures of that since i didnt have my digital camera way back then... (the middle of febuary when i was home for my birthday)

but here we have the annealed knife blade with the rough cut blade and the mahogony handle blank

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0113.jpg)
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:15:00 AM
**annealed and rough cut**

as a side note, i ebayed a SWEET piece of ambonia burl for the handle of this knife... but i left it in ohio... so this baby got a piece of mahogony

The next step was to cut the groove for the knife tang to rest in, i did this by setting the rip fence on our table saw to cut the blank down the middle and then moved the fence a tiny bit at a time until the groove was groovy!! (but i didnt move it a tiny bit at a time until the groove on my first handle blank was SLIGHTLY oversized... oops!!!)

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0115.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0121.jpg)

then you drill the holes for your pins through the handle, then mark the steel through those holes drill your blade and then you're ready to harden and temper that puppy!
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:23:00 AM
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0112.jpg)

IMPORTANT AMENDMENT TO #5 after you get it out of the oil... IMMIDATELY chuck it into the oven for an hour or two @400 degrees, allow it to air cool back down to room temperature, then season to taste.

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0118.jpg)

when it comes out of the oven there should be some funy scales and junk from the fireplace some people recommend letting it soak in vinnegar overnight to soften this junk up so i did. (mostly because it wasnt comming off and it was 4am so i REALLY wanted to go to bed)

I'll let somone who actually knows something about doing this fill in the gaps and tell us all the stuff that i did wrong.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:30:00 AM
yes those holes are oversized, thanks for asking...

i broke the bit that was the correct size in a freak drill press accident while i was drilling the handle. and the epoxy will fill in the gaps between the pins making it one solid piece.

"but Ryan, won't some of the epoxy come out when you tap the pins through?"

that's an excellent question, which i didnt consider until my 4 minute epoxy was starting to harden and i was 3/4 done tapping in the pins. so my suggestion would be to use regular 2 ton epoxy so you have all the time in the world to make it right.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:37:00 AM
Well, if you are anything like me right about now you're saying come on MAN!!!! lets see this baby all done up!!!!

well I'm here to say, "hold your horses there buckaroo, We're almost to the end of our little knife making journey so be patient"

HERE SHE IS:
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0131.jpg)
(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0130.jpg)
i left some of the teeth on the side of the blade just because i thought it looked cool i did my best to get a decent picture of it so let me know what you think.
(//%3Cbr%20/%3E%20http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0137.jpg)
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:38:00 AM
lets try this again

(http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j318/ironrhino800/CIMG0137.jpg)
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 02:55:00 AM
I can honestly say that this has been one of the most fun and rewarding projects i've ever done, and it makes me even more excited to kill a deer with a bow and arrow that i've made with my own two hands...

some things that i would have done differently,

-i prefer to have a full length tang but since i was working with a broken piece of file, i made due.

-I would have cut the blade bevel like 17-20 degrees with a file before i hardened it because it took me HOURS with my lansky before i hardened it and then HOURS afterwards!!!

-i would have bookmatched the mahogony scales and glued them to a maple or osage core and put a wavy accent strip in there... etc, made the handle more exciting... but i'll probably send this one in for the knife swap anyway or maybe i'll keep it forever

Things i really enjoyed:

-like i mentioned above, this was just a really rewarding project personally so i think that this could be a really great father son mentor mentoree project...

file it away... tehehe (i couldnt resist)

Now, go grab some old file and turn it into a sweet knife...

because theres only six steps, and i managed to do it without any fancy furnaces or kilns so you have no excuse not to!

**DISCLAMER**

knives are sharp things they should not be placed in the eyes or mouth and should be kept out of reach of small children, pets, and any relatives that REALLY "love" you.

If you choose to make a knife and in the process cut, burn or in some other way injure yourself i am in no way responsible, you are an adult and need to take responsibility for yourself
***

SORRY... i couldnt resist... I HATE thos stupid warning lables "caution, coffee is hot, it could burn you" "dont drink bleach" "dont smoke while pouring gas" "dont stick your hand into... fill in the ultra dangerous implement"

Cheers and God Bless you all!
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: OzarkRamblr on March 07, 2007, 03:49:00 AM
Nice knife. You gonna make a mouse hide sheath??  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: TimZeigler on March 07, 2007, 06:24:00 AM
Cool, thanks for sharing Rhino.  I'm a 6 step kind of guy, so this would work for me.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Tbilisi on March 07, 2007, 06:29:00 AM
Where do you get the brass pins?
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Glenn Carl on March 07, 2007, 06:36:00 AM
Great project Ironrhino. The knife turned out looking good. I like how serious you take it. Howed you cook the mouse?
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: madness522 on March 07, 2007, 06:53:00 AM
Nice build a long and good looking knife.  I like your writing style.  There is one part you left out...how many shots it took to get the glove eater...or did ya cheat and use a trap....
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: the Ferret on March 07, 2007, 07:06:00 AM
Pretty cool Ryan. I'll bet you're a Neandrathal among your fellow students ha ha
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: 4runr on March 07, 2007, 07:32:00 AM
That knife looks good Ryan. Thanks for doing this.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Cody Cantrell on March 07, 2007, 08:21:00 AM
Ryan how did you get the hollow grind on the blade?  By the way the knife looks great.

Cody
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Izzy on March 07, 2007, 09:30:00 AM
What broadhead for the mouse?Cool knife too.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: vermonster13 on March 07, 2007, 09:33:00 AM
Do a European mount as warning to the other mice! Great knife and build-along!
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: paleFace on March 07, 2007, 09:44:00 AM
now that you have that leather eating mouse you need to do a "skin-a-long" with your new blade. you did say the first fury critter....
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: formerbutcher on March 07, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
I like it   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: ironrhino on March 07, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
Tbilisi- the pins are acutally pieces of wealing rod... why?... because it all i had.

Madness- acually i trapped that sucker and finished it off with a well placed bb (he was way under the work bench and didnt really want to come out)

Cody- the blade actually has a bit of a convex grind to it (impossible to tell from the pictures!!!) and i couldnt begin to tell you how to do anything else... i just wanted a functional knife that i made myself!

Mickey- yeah man i'm a real knuckle dragger... but all the boys think its cool when i'm workin on a bow or we toss atlatl darts down the hall etc. plus they all come in and use my tools whenever they need to~


everyone else- Thanks for the comments and complements! Its really a lot of fun I hope that this has given somone the urge to go and build somehting else!

-RHiNo
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Tom Uselding on April 05, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
Ironrhino:  Your right - there is a lot of satisfaction to making your own equipment with your own hands.  Congratulations on your first knife.

I've been checking the threads on knife making and think it would be nice project.  Tell me if I got the process right.  

1. Select a design and make a template.

2. Select your blank material. (I'll use a rasp)

3. Temper your material.

4.  Form knife and retemper?

5.  Finish work to blade.

6.  Apply handle, finish handle.

Am I warm?
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Frenchymanny on April 05, 2007, 04:29:00 PM
This is way too cool!

Thank you
F-Manny
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: jmar595 on April 05, 2007, 06:35:00 PM
Tom, I think on step 4 it should be anneal the material then form knife.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Seeking Trad Deer on April 05, 2007, 10:35:00 PM
Great thread   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: whitebuffalo on April 05, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
Very cool post man,, I'm sooo glad to see you get revenge on that mouse man,,, I remember what it did to your glove when you got home.
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: tippit on April 05, 2007, 11:08:00 PM
ironrhino,  
This is the best thread on knife making that I've seen.  I was going to do a forge-a-long for the knife I'm making to go with the St Judes Bow, But I don't think I could top your concise humorous style.  I couldn't stop laughing!

One idea though, you might consider forging a ten penny nail for a good mouse skinner...Doc
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: AZStickman on April 06, 2007, 09:04:00 AM
Doc...... You don't get to back out of your build along that easy.....   :D  It's part of the site John is doing for the whole project...Everyone has to add their little piece .. Terry
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: AZStickman on April 06, 2007, 09:06:00 AM
IronRhino..... I agree with the others..... This has to be one of the most informative and entertaining threads I've read in a long time.....  :readit:   :D  Terry
Title: Re: from file to knife in 6 easy steps (build along)
Post by: Shaun on April 06, 2007, 11:02:00 PM
I've been resisting adding this hobby (obsession?) to my list, but your build along has pushed me over the edge. File is cooling in the ashes, will burn my fingers tomorrow. Thanks