I mean here we are with all the modernism. I see many very good bows that are laminated with the likes of man-made materials such as carbon, and it makes me wonder really how traditional this really is?
I guess this is an ongoing debate amongst the gang, but here we go..
I have shot several outstanding bows that were of the laminate variety. They are very accurate and very fast. My though on this is this--Doesn't the use of modern materials make this nothing short of a wheelbow? Where do we draw the line at traditionalism? Realizing that the ancients built laminate bows, I guess that a laminated bow is acceptable as a "traditional" bow. However, I am wondering about the use of modern materials. Some of these new bows(I will use the Centaur bows for an example)shoot a lot like a compound! These bows are so close to a compound that it's not funny. The speed is a little slower than the new wheelbows, but much the same as the older compounds. Awesome, but is it "traditional"?
Now to arrows.
Here we go again with carbon---they shoot fast and straight, but are they traditional? My opinion is no, they are not. On the other side of the coin the carbons save a lot of trees from being cut down, however not very biodegradeable.
Any thoughts?
Jeff
I THINK TRADITIONAL IS THE WAY THE PERSON HUNTS USING ONLY A STICK AND STRING AND PURE INSTINCT, FROM WHAT I NOTICED, I THINK TODAYS EQUIPMENT IS JUST DURABLE, YOU KNOW, JUST MADE TO LAST A LONG TIME. DOESNT CHANGE HOW THE PERSON HUNTS.
Gee I get to go first! I have said it before and I will again... traditional is not the equipment... it is the attitude! It's deciding what level of technology, other than the very latest, you personally want to shoot at, and then holding yourself to that level, deliberately, to see how well you can do with the equipment people at that time - which you chose! - were able to do.
Traditional is not comparing my longbow to yours and saying one is trad because it is only wood and the other is not because it has fiberglass. Or a recurve to a longbow. It's the idea of you choosing to limit your equipment and then see whether you can master it, within that limitation. Meantime, I'm trying to master whatever level I have chosen. Yours may be selfbow, wood arrows and flint, while mine is longbows of circa 1970. Doesn't matter... may we both be successful.
Traditional is not choosing a period and then deliberately finding the most advanced, esoteric piece of equipment in that period and saying, "well, this existed then, so it's OK". No, it's using the typical equipment of that period.
My favorite example... muzzle loading. If you choose to shoot a muzzle loader for traditionalism, you know that means a patched round ball and open sights. You don't don't have to ask if bolt action and primer ignition are traditional... in your heart you know.
It's the same here, or should be. My traditional may not be yours, but if I'm trying to hold myself to a period and I'm true to that , I'm traditional. I don't have to put you or your equipment down, because only you can decide if you, and it, are traditional within the bounds you have set.
Again, it should be an attitude, not a fight about equipment.
OK, let the arguments begin, and I'll bet dollars to donuts that 90% of them will be about specific arrows or bows other items of equipment and completely miss the point that as soon as you try to regulate "things", you've lost. Someone will develop something you forgot to regulate tomorrow. Meanwhile, you've admitted that the people your regulating don't understand the spirit of what you're doing and are more worried about what the other guy is doing than what they are. One of the reasons I never keep score....
Dick in Seattle
Traditional to me is more of an attitude than a choice of equipment.It is slowing down and getting back to basics.Getting down on the ground with an animal one on one and close.Being respectful of the land and the animal hunted.Finding personal satisfaction in a great shot because it took a lot of time and effort to be able to make it. I like to think Traditional people are people you can trust. Men and women that keep their word and are eager to help anyone who needs it.If you start to very narrowly define Traditional no one really is. We drive our trucks,wear high tech clothes,use enginered scents,and eat artificial food while hunting Traditional.We really can't go back in time but we can make a better future.
Dick,I could get along with you just fine and I was first when I started my two finger typing.
Opening a big "Can-O-Worms" but this subject has hit a nerve with me.
Websters def of: "Traditional"
The handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction.
How far do we go back? So, Because a person doesn't shoot wood he or she is not Traditional? Take off those Plastic nocks, better Harvest your own Feathers,(no modern store bought ones) tie/wrap them on...No glue, better knap your own points. Where does it stop? Must we as Archers keep dividing/defining ourselfs? We all love shooting a bow without any wheels. Some enjoy shooting bows they make, some enjoy custom bows that are lookers. some just love the romance of shooting an arrow from a longbow /recurve/ selfbow / modern recurve/hybrid/and the list goes on...
I for one shoot a Recurve, carbon arrows, FF string. I shoot every weekeng with a group of guys shooting longbows with woods, selfbows and cane arrows, wheels and hybrids with metals. No one finds the need to define themselfs. We are just Archers shooting what we enjoy.
Mark..........
Draw the string with your fingers and hold the full weight of the draw. (no let off) Other than that, who cares? I shoot what I like, you shoot what you like. Metal, wood, carbon, sights, barebow, does it really matter?
I shoot a DAS and I love it. It is probably one of the most technalogically advanced recurves on the market. It is nothing like a compound.
I'll shoot with anyone. Comound to selfbow. It just doesn't matter.
I'm an archer!
I don't know what "traditional" is & I don't care. As long as I've got my recurves & my longbow to shoot I'm gonna keep on not carin'.
I don't make wood arrows to be "traditional", I do it 'cause it's fun. I do it 'cause I can make 'em how I want 'em & I do it because when I break a few, I get to make a few more (any way I want, again).
Mostly I do "traditional" my way for me because ultimately it's me I have to please, & it's me who's opinion I have to live with. That being said, I'd shoot with any of you, whatever you shoot as long as you're enjoying it. :thumbsup:
I'm having a bad night, so no sleep. However, I thought up a very simple definition of traditional:
Limiting the technology by which you do something... and then tellling everyone about it on the internet.
Dick
I go with the "Attitude" point of view. Limiting yourself, the need to practice more, ability to make much or all of your gear if you want, takes you to a "Deeper" level of archery/bowhunting. I agree that if you pull with your fingers, hold full weight at anchor, it's traditional. Materials have been advancing since the first smart caveman twisted up some sinew, looped it around the ends of a stick, notched a smaller stick and launched it. People have also played around with bow design since day one to get better performance. It all varied from primitive to traditional, until someone put wheels on a bow. That was the day "Modern" began in my opinion. I have no problem with compounds, I shoot an Oneida sometimes, it's all what you like, and what you want from your archery.
I just reckon we should be happy to be here, sharing a love of slinging arrows, and have so many methods to choose from to get our kicks.
Dan
I think it is just archery without the wheels.
As far as tackle goes, IMO no wheels, no sights, full length arrow released by hand off the shelf or a simple elevated rest (But I sure won't condemn a guy who shoots a cushion plunger with his T-300 rest). Arrow type, fletching, or what your bow is made of is irrelevant...
It's more about the attitude/lifestyle than the bow and arrow. I've never found a group more willing to share and help a newcomer than Traditional Archers...
When the term was first used, with respect to archery, the intention I think, was to distinguish compound bows from long bows and re curves. That was understood and accepted for until some of us wanted to me more "traditional" than others.
I think most compound shooters still understand it that way.
"With out wheels" hmmm, I like that. That might have gotten the what, how and why out of our current debates.
QuoteOriginally posted by Dick in Seattle:
I'm having a bad night, so no sleep. However, I thought up a very simple definition of traditional:
Limiting the technology by which you do something... and then tellling everyone about it on the internet.
Dick
Sorry your are having a sleepless night Dick! But I like what your mind came up with as a result. But it does beg the question....does shooting traditional and using the internet to tell everyone about it make us posers? Because as we all know when there were no wheel bows Al Gore hadn't invented the internet yet.
I think Traditional Archery is a way of life, with a little bit of "limited" equipment, or better know as tackle. Down in the dirt and up close hunting, or just a bunch of folks out stump shooting, target shooting and having fun with their tackle. I don't beleive it involves and wheels or pullys, or a bunch of metal hanging off ones bow. Primitive Archery is all handmade tackle, one peice bows with no glass, gut strings selfnock arrows with wrapped feathers. But this too, I beleive falls under Traditional Archery. It's a way of life ! We don't go out and get the fastest and most expensive metal objects to extend our game hunting seasons. I think that's the biggest problem with the wheelie bows, it's just an extension of a trophy hunt. Same as "inlines" vs. "flintlocks". It's a way of life, who we are and how we want to do certain things, the appreciation we have for the form of archery. You hunt with your bow, durring gun season, having a good time of it, just being out there, getting to bag some game is an extra bennifit of the deal, it is one of the reasons we hunt with our longbows or recurves, but it's not the main reason we choose to do so. Tell me the difference in the feeling you get, of hitting a leaf, a pine cone, or even a bullseye with your long bow or recurve, as opposed to shooting a sighted, stablized wheel bow with a mech. release aid, I've done both, there is no comparison at all, none, it's a tottaly different satifaction, it's called "traditional".
I guess we could all go on and on, but it's just a personal preference of the way one does this, and what he or she gets out of it.
Lol... madness522. That's too good.
I am with you all :knothead: Seriously though. I think the without wheels thing is the best interpretation of "trad" as far as this board seems to go, but for many it might go more or less deep. For me it has always been doing it in a more traditional (translated to me as historic) way. Now how "Historical" (my friends and family translate this as "Hysterical")do you go.
People here have used the muzzleloader as a comparison. Is percussion cap historic enought?? Flintlock?? Matchlock?? It all depends on the person, but ulitmately they are all fun and more of a challednge than something a bit more "modern".
An Ojibwe friend of mine and I were once dicussing hunting, camo, modern calls, gadgets, and etc. and he made a good point. He said that you can hunt without all that stuff. When you use it, it makes hunting easier but also becomes a crutch. The more you use the new tech. the more you lose the skills it takes to hunt without it. On another level... fancy gadgets can make an okay hunter have a better chance at hunting, but not using the gadgets will make an okay hunter a better hunter.
:thumbsup:
IMO -- hunting seasons aren't long enough.
Brian, I couldn't agree more :smileystooges: :biglaugh:
this debate will most likely still be raging many years from now. some may consider me traditional some may not. i use a custom longbow & recurve to hunt. i use wood, aluminum and carbon arrows. i hunt hard the way that feels right for me. i don't look down my nose at anyone who hunts with a compound or even a firearm for that matter. what matters is the love for the outdoors, wild places and the wild critters that live there. show those things repsect and honor and i don't really care what weapon one chooses. be a slob and i have no use for em. like my dad has always said, it doesn't matter what you do, just be the best at it that you can. so whatever you hunt with, be the best you can with it.
Absolutely the equipment , anything else is secondary...
Do compounds shot instinctively qualify as traditional?...No Way!!!
If you need to have "Traditional" defined for you by someone else, then you truly don't understand what it is. Time will cure that most likely.
Jbiorn,
I shoot what you would consider "modern" equipment. Das, Silvertip, Border bows, carbon arrows, elevated rest/plunger, clicker, and stabilizer (on the Das). If you think it shoots 'like a compound' you are completely off base. My most modern bow, Das Dalaa set up with a clicker and rest/plunger with a stabilizer shoots NOTHING like a compound. In fact, it shoots just like any selfbow. It has no wheels, and that's what defines the compound. Carbon in limbs makes no difference in how the bow functions. Wheels DO. Carbon may enhance the performance, but tell me one old trad archer you admire that didn't seek better performance? Metal risers were before the compound, I even think carbon arrows were. Heck, every device I've mentioned here was around before the compound. Sights are even trad IMO! the point is, none of them change the way my bow is shot, and that is what makes it traditional.
"If you need to have "Traditional" defined for you by someone else, then you truly don't understand what it is. Time will cure that most likely."
I couldnt agree more.
What's traditional is seeing this question pop up in a thread a couple times a year..lol..
traditional has to do with the weapon of choice and nothing else...if it has wheels ,cables or letoff then its not traditional...before the compound came along it was just archery...some how we took a backseat
To me traditional archery is IT,. Everything, the people who shoot, it is using your mind an body to shoot, I mean no let off on your bow, no sights, no trigger. I think it is a persons atatude to want to make it as self satifiving as posible.
Well I'm new here guys but I've got to put my two cents in. I think we would all agree that Fred Bear was a traditional shooter without question. So Fred shot aluminum arrows. He shot aluminum arrow because the tech was better. So now we've gotten to the age of carbon. I'm not knocking anyone who want to use a stick and string, but way up on my priority list is a quick human kill for the quarry that I hunt. Still pull the string with a glove.... still have to use the computer in my brain to judge the shot, but I'm not a Fred Bear or a Howard Hill. I need all the help I can get. But I love the attitude of all the guys who shoot traditionl. Thats what makes this site so good.
No offense intended, but I dont see how anyone can say a modern longbow (regardless of what materials it is composed of) is the equivlant of a compound. My ACS doesnt reduce the draw wieght at full draw by 80%. I dont have laser or light gathering sight pins on the it and I dont need a four foot stabelizer to make it shoot better. Is its design advanced ? Yes. Is it making hunting with it less of a challenge? No.
OK, I am going to weigh in. I agree with most folks who posted, to me "Traditional" is a way of life, a way of thinking. I have several friends who shoot wheels, that are "Traditional". Shooting a stick and Tradition are not mutually exclusive.
Now, how long will this thread go before it gets pulled.
Scott
I just popped some popcorn. Anybody want any?
My little guy is having some right now too. LOL
Achilles...so I guess your saying that a new modern type bow which can have altering divices allowing for better tuning such as the das is traditional?, (Which if I'm correct in it's own advertisement claims it's in another class..and I and many feel it is) Personaly I see no difference between a das or screaming eagle. Both bows have different technology that crosses the line of traditional.
Now one would make the arguement that if Ishi had the opportunity to shoot carbons he would, I say if Ishi had the choice to shoot a compound bow he would take all the flatbows his tribe had made and burn them for firewood and trade many a buffalo skins for compound bows because they needed the game to survive. They wouldn't have to dress up and cover themselves in Buffalo hides to get close to their game. Most of us here don't need to hunt to survive.
I now I and many I shoot with our "Trad" equipment to keep a part of history, enjoy the romance so to say, the laughs and fun shooting especially the times we missed the shot due to a bent cedar arrow. It also keeps us on our toes makeing us closer to our equipment almost as if it another limb attached to our bodies when shooting. Nothing funnier then to stand behind a buddy shooting an arrow that makes left hand turn right before the target. Makes the shooter who will get ribbed from all to be more insink with his equipment.
We never have an issue for the use other arrows, as woods pricing as gone thru the roof. Only a few years ago we could buy from Rose City or others a 100 for $100. Now it double that plus.
IBO shoots, they have an only wood shafts and longbow class for a reason and Tradidional is claimed as
"TRADITIONAL CLASSES
....In all "traditional" style classes the use of Clickers, draw checks,etc ... shall be prohibited etc ..."
Griz 53..Carbons make no "quicker" kill on a game then any other heavier "slower" wood shaft.
PS
I promise I will check back here today to see who or should I say how many blast me....LOL
Actually, Jim...if the wood arrow is moving slower, carbon arrows do kill quicker. If two bows leave a train station traveling at different speeds...etc...
I already stated my case...hunting seasons are WAY too short...this fact lends itself well to people thinking too much about irrelevant topics.
I say bring back the rubics cube...time much better spent...although these threads also lend themselves well to preying easily with silly sarcasm...in that regard, march on.
Love it! I finally got enough pills in me to get some sleep last night. Woke up and right away checked this thread to see if my prediction would be right... and it was! A few posts stuck to the attitude/philosophy approach, then the bulk swung right back to "my equimpment is and your epuipment isn't". Ah, it is so good to be able to count on something in this life....
Obviously, many of you feel strongly about it, but you aren't going to convince each other one way or the other... ever. How you define traditional is a closely held personal belief or approach, not dissimilar to religion, which is why these "discussions" get so intense. All I can suggest is that you acknowledge that the other guy's church has it's points, and that he's happy in it, and be happy in yours. Seems like our time is full of examples of where the "my way is right" approach leads... Shoot, be happy, and don't worry about how the other guy does it. Nothing he does with his bow affects where your arrow goes.
Dick
If you have to ask then maybe its not for you.... Kinda like asking what Honor is if you dont know it we cant teach it.
I have to agree with kiiwosewinini that as far as this board goes "without wheels" seems to be the definition. Some here use alot of modern stuff (tree stands, tent blinds, carbon suits, aluminum and carbon arrows, etc) while others hunt more primitive. Doesn't make anyone better than another, just different.
I think this topic comes up from time to time on here because we eventually define for ourselves what "traditional" is but are curious to see how the other "trad" hunters feel. Like we are trying to see who is like us.
In biology we learned to break living things down into their ...family/order/genus/species for clasification. Guess we could do the same here. We are all just different species of the same genus.
I also think kiiwosewinini's Ojibwa friend made a good point in saying "...that you can hunt without all that stuff. When you use it, it makes hunting easier but also becomes a crutch. The more you use the new tech. the more you lose the skills it takes to hunt without it. On another level... fancy gadgets can make an okay hunter have a better chance at hunting, but not using the gadgets will make an okay hunter a better hunter."
King..."so I guess your saying that a new modern type bow which can have altering divices allowing for better tuning such as the das is traditional?,"...metal risers have been around since before the compound as far as I know?...and before the compound it was all called archery...another thing alot of people dont know is that native americans actually attached sticks to there bows for sights
Like I said in my first post. Websters Is the expert in word definitions: "Tradition" (traditional)
1 a: an inherited, established, or customary pattern of thought, action, or behavior (as a religious practice or a social custom) b: a belief or story or a body of beliefs or stories relating to the past that are commonly accepted as historical though not verifiable
2: the handing down of information, beliefs, and customs by word of mouth or by example from one generation to another without written instruction
So tell me where does it define the type of Bow and Arrow? It's not about equiptment.
Mark.....
kingstaken, I totaly agree that carbons do not kill any quicker than a well placed shot with a wooden arrow. But you just illistrated my point. If you take a shot with an arrow and just before it hits the target it makes a hard left or right you may have a wounded animal to deal with. But in your defense I have a feeling you would have already culled that arrow. I do see where you are comming from keeping traditionl archery traditional. But if you get that particular with traditional archery wouldn't you have to take it back to straight stick bows with flint heads and tied fletching? I had a good friend that I met years ago while bow hunting the Hollow Bend game refuge in Ark who was part Cherokee indian. He told me then that his goal was to build his own bow with flint head and tied fletching. It took him years to to get it done. So I guess the point I'm trying to make is just how far back do you have to go for it to qualify as traditional.
It's funny, but I have actually been thinking about this issue lately. In fact, I just re-read Dick Robertson's TBM article from a few months ago, and agree with most of it.
There have been a lot of good points made here, and I guess I would fall in with several when talking only about the equipment issue... to me it's simply some type of longbow or recurve, shot barebow.
In my opinion, the attitude component is the biggest issue, and I think it was a big part of what Mr. Robertson was talking about.
My idea of traditional archery has always centered around accepting limits , in both your equipment and your means of hunting.
This flies right in the face of the great American/human condition of always trying to improve and simplify everything, which is what brought the compound into existence in the firt place.
When one is constantly trying to get more out of their equipment, such as speed... the ever important few more feet per second, to flatten trajectory; their accuracy... sights that makes you a better instinctive shot; the mechanics of their shooting... using plungers/elevated rests and whatnot so as to provide easier tuning and less susceptability to poor releases; and so on and so forth... sooner or later you'll end up with something that has no resemblance to what you started with in the first place.
PS: Bravo Dick in Seattle, you hit the nail on the head. That should have put this subject to bed but not untill everone has had their say.LOL
PS: Bravo Dick in Seattle, you hit the nail on the head. That should have put this subject to bed but not untill everone has had their say.LOL
I have no idea what traditional is, not real sure I want to. I'm a BAWSLAR! :bigsmyl:
(Bowhunting Archer Who Shoots Longbows And Recurves)
LD
Kingstaken, the DAS is a great bow. But it is just that. A bow. Nothing more. If it had some "magical" qualities I'd be in the next Olympics instead of shooting neck and neck with my best friend who shoots a Fedora Xtreme off the shelf.
A good bow will assist you in attaining YOUR highest level of skill. The skill is still yours to develop and attain. If you have to focus your own shortcomings as an archer (Not making an accusation or an attack. Just a generalization) on someone elses equipment then you are in a sad place and I feel sorry for you.
Jeff- of coarse you have the right to your opinion, but possibly you havn't been "through " the ropes. I'm 65, started shooting at 10 (tournaments at 12). In the 50's we had wood arrows, alum. arrows, glass arrows. Ww watched our arrows gracefully arc through the air at field archery targets, from 15 to 80 yds away. Most of us tried compounds when they first came out, but the romance was lost. All the high tech stuff was not what the original archers wanted. To most of us, traditional is longbows and recurves, reguardless of materials used. There is room for diehards, shooting primitive, or guys and girls just flinging arrows from a recurve or longbow. But doing it the "old way" is what makes it "TRADITIONAL" for us.
If it hasn't got wheels, cams , cables, or let-off, to me, it's traditional.
Agree with Dick !!
this is an argument begun on a false premise.
They had carbon 1000 years ago- sheep, ibex, or gemsbok horn. Native Americans used it, Persians used it. What does biodegradable have to do with traditional? Stone implements don't biodegrade, aren't they traditional?
You aren't a caveman- you use a computer, you drive a car, you probably have a cell phone and use a safety belt when you climb a tree.
We are hunters, limiting ourselves by equipment choice to stick and string. It seems to me you should be worrying about whether what you are doing makes you happy, and if it does, why worry about what OTHERS think about what you are doing?
"Traditional"- old Indian word, means 'NO COMPOUNDS'!
Traditional as it is applied to archery/bowhunting is a relatively new use of the term. When I started bowhunting, it was just called archery or bowhunting. The word traditional wasn't used until the compound was invented, actually not until a few years later when they actually began to be popular, and then the word traditional was used initially to distinguish stickbows of one sort of another from compounds. If you weren't shooting a compound, you were shooting "traditional." Of course, there is an attitude and philosophy, even a way of life that have since become part of the definition of traditional. As already noted, the definition of traditional also has an historical element to it, something that happened in the past. Our supposed disagreements regarding what is traditional are a reflection of the fact that we can't agree on where to draw the historical line.
To me, Traditional is learning to master shooting a bow in it's basic form. It is not accepting the "assistance" of added things to improve your shooting but improving your shooting by practice and working on it. It's accepting the fact that when you miss, it's your fault because there isn't any equipment to blame it on. It's building arm guards and arrows because you "enjoy doing it yourself". Mabey that is what traditional is : "Choosing to do it yourself,unaided, because you like to".
In a way... the fact that we hunt, spend time in the woods (instead of in the house), and prefer to play with sticks and strings (regardless of their composition) makes us "traditional".
I stick to traditional is what you make of it. The bottom lines is to get out and do it. Do it they way you like, when you like, but none-the-less DO IT.
Trying to regulate "things", i.e. equipment, rather than attitudes is, for me, a losing proposition. It's a dark trail that leads to more and more regulation and it entices folks to push further and further against the edges of the more and more regulations, and so on. As an approach, it didn't work for prohibition, won't work for gun control, and will inevitably lead to more judges and less shooting in sports. This happens in every activity, like it was part of human nature.
Here's a little parable. Once upon a time, there was a guy named Charlie and a guy named Bill. They both had big lawns and bought riding lawnmowers. They got to talking about their mowers and decided to get together in a vacant field and race them, just for fun. A few other guys joined them. Getting together to race lawnmowers... now there's a silly activity that should be purely fun. They started out getting together on Saturdays with their own machines, with which they actually mowed their lawns. However, inevitably, someone built a special "racing lawnmower", and from there it went, until they ended up with classes, factory sponsored teams, mechanics who can pull a lawnmower apart and rebuild it for maximum performance with the ever burgeoning regulations governing exactly what is "stock". Soon, it was a huge activity with businesses involved, etc. Meantime, Charlie and Bill got kind of overwhelmed, shook their heads and dropped their memberships in the Official Lawnmower Racers Governing and Ruling Organization. If you want to talk to Charlie or Bill about their experience and feeling about it, you can still catch them on Saturday mornings down at that vacant field... just the two of them and their lawnmowers... after they finish mowing their lawns. Meantime, all the other guys are attending more and more meetings of the OLRGRO to refine the more and more regulations defining the more and more classes of lawnmowers and what is and isn't permissible.
This has been fun, guys, and it's let me get some ideas off my head. Helped me through a real bad night, too, but there's a new thread on workshops that looks like it'll be interesting...
Dick
Dick just told the story of NASCAR
Traditional is a state of mind to me.
I shoot modern longbows,but I would shoot selfbows if I could make them.I shoot carbon,wood,and cane arrows from my bow.I shoot them with my fingers,without any let-off,and no sights.label me how you will!LOL
Now lets talk about the hunting seasons not being long enough!LOL
Traditional archery is to me,
No wheels, no letoff, no mech release, no sights.
Actually it should be defined as Archery and Mechanical archery.
Eric
westbrook..."Actually it should be defined as Archery and Mechanical archery."...exactly
Not even reading the earlier posts.
In my mind, traditional simply means...not compound..... that's all.
Stick and string, no matter the chemical make up of the parts. No matter whether you use sights, or not. No matter at all in fact. make it mean whatever you want.
ChuckC
"Doesn't the use of modern materials make this nothing short of a wheelbow?"
Thats just about the silliest sentence I have ever read on this subject.