How tough are the razorcaps? they look pretty frail? I know some guys used them in Africa and moose and the like, and I am just gonna shoot 115 lb WTs, but they do not look as tough as the WW. Gonna use them anyway casue I cant get a satisfactory edge on the grizzlies.
J
I dont hunt moose or buff and such but i have put many a razorcap through a hog. Ive put them through ribs and sholders and have not had a single failure yet.
I have had the furrel bend when hitting rocks and such but never a problem when hitting a animal.
In my experience the 'Caps are much tougher than the Woodsmans. Much better steel.
The key with the Razorcaps is the ferrule. From 125 on up the ferrules are good and strong, with everything from 150 and up being all steel. The 100's are pushing it IMO.
I wouldn't hesitate to shoot a heavy Razorcap at anything in North America if I had enough bow behind it...great heads! :thumbsup:
I have the 150 grain version, w/100 grain beass insert as I need 250 up front. I think the ferruls I have are actually 80 grain ferruls but the whole setup together is 150.
OK I figured they were but they jsut do not look it.
Would have stuck with the WWs but I cannot get over the hiss in flight.
J
My only experience with them were 100 gr. and they were very weak. I did get good penatration with them but EVERY one of them I shot game with BROKE. Either the ferrules broke or thier photon welds broke. I switched pretty quick because I would have gone broke replacing them. I should add that my practice head broke after shooting maybe 20 arrows with it and that was into a layered foam target. I should add that if you hit the plastic on a 3d deer leg it will break them as well, lost 2 that way!!! After my ring of failures I sent them a letter and email's and never got a response. Poor customer service in my experience.
Again I never shot heavier then 100gr.
The weldings on razorcaps are way to weak.
Slowbo, imho, if you think the woodsmans are weaker...then you are doing something wrong in you grinding of the woodsman !
Jacob
I havent had any issues with the 200 grain Razorcaps. I like them best out of all the 3 blade heads with WW following a close second.
I've been using the 200 grain Razorcap since it came out and have no problems with whitetails. It resharpens well on a flat stone (others who tried WW in Shrewhaven camp had trouble sharpening due to original bevel of blade). Unless you're using wood arrows, the Razorcap is the top of the heap for 3 blades in my opinion.
The 150gr on up are all stainless steel. The 125gr has an aluminum housing. I have not seen any 100gr razorcaps. I shoot the 150 gr. and really like them, quality broadhead.
I bought a couple of packs of 125 grain heads and wasn't impressed with their strength. I broke a couple of welds and bent 2 blades on one.
I went to another type head.
Well I have two packs now, and I went back to WWs. I had the WWs, but they hiss in flight, tried everything to stop the hiss, but couldn't. Gonna shoot the WWs anyway, hiss and all, heck I even got a hiss from the caps but not quite as prevelant.
Those caps seem tough but I am just unsure about them, that is some thin metal in the blade. I dont look for bone but shoot through animals it is there. I think that WW is a tough critter.
Got them SHARP soooooooo hopefully tommorrow evening I will try one on a deer.
Jason
So what are you gonna do with the Caps?? :saywhat:
I've only shot pigs with them this year. So far five pigs with the same head. One of the shots ended up in the spine and another shot went through the shoulder blade. I wasn't proud of those two shots but I got the pigs. The other three were "ideal" shots. Here is a pic of the biggest one taken with the same razorcap.
Ryan
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I tried a pack of 200 gr. Razorcaps and bent two out of the three on animals. Went back to my WW's after that, no problems with modified tip. The WW are tougher in my opinion. Also, I use a butcher's steel to sharpen my WW, so if the bevel is off I still get them shaving sharp.
This has been an interesting thread! Lots of different and somewhat inconsistent experiences always get me thinking.
The only Razorcaps I've ever used were the originals (Pre-NAP) and I've never broken or bent one. Can't say that for Woodsmans myself, (still great heads, have some in my quiver).
Maybe I've been lucky, maybe NAP has comprimised the 'Caps? I'd be curious to know of those who broke welds if they were NAP heads or originals...hmmmm. :confused:
Tim
SlowBow, you may be right, I could go out tommorrow and tear up a WW, well tonights hunt!!!! I HOPE
Caps seem ggod come very sharp just seem thin on the blades side.
J
six to one half dozen the other
Tim,
The heads that I've been using this year came straight from NAP. So far no failures, but I've only been using them for a year.
Ryan
The only time I have broken a 150 grain RC is when I buried one bout halfway into a cinderblock wall. I have put a 150 RC into a 4x4 post at 15 yards and pulled it straight out with no damage ( I think if you do a lot a twisting you can mess them up). The last deer I shot with a RC, the arrow was buried in the ground 4+ inches with no damage after a pass through.
I'm a fan of the 200gr razorcap.
Shoots and groups real well, easily sharpened for a 3 blade head, doesn't rust in quiver on a extended hunts, good penetration and gives a nice blood trail.
I was skeptical at first and tested one during groundhog hunting,its held up well with no problems.
The only problem I had with my RazorCaps was when a buddy of mine shot his Snuffer SS THROUGH my RazorCap. Needless to say, after seeing nothing was wrong with the little Snuffer, I switched...
I've shot many Woodsmen into things that I would not ever consider shooting a RazorCap into (I stump shoot with them); no way do I think the caps are tougher than a WW, no way.
I've stuck Razorcaps in my poured concrete basement wall and all i needed to do was touch up the tip with a file. I've killed many deer with them and a cow moose last year. Never had one fail on an animal and never had the welds break. At one point I think there was a problem with them when they were taken over by NAP but that seems to be an old story. The steel in them is very easy to sharpen and they hold an edge better than any other head I have used. The head that took the moose last year broke the knuckle that covers the heart and was stopped when it hit the off side leg. The head is still in service. I think that they may be the best engineered three blade bh out there when you consider the fact that they are weight adjustable.