Who makes a short fast recurve with no stacking at 29". I have a Fedora 52" Stalker now which I like but would consider getting a similar bow around 54" with a bit more heft in the riser section. Checked out the Morrison site but didn't see anything that would fit this. Heard Bob Lee has a new small bow out and I know bear makes one but I don't think any of these would be fast enough for my liking. Suggestions or experiences are appreciated please...
Thats a pretty big order, 29" draw no stacking at 54"?? I would try one of Bob Morrison's Shawnees with 54" limbs. See what it shoots like for you and talk to Bob, he can make the riser any way you want it. Only other thought would be a Shrew, take a look and see what Ron has in that range. You will have a hard time bettering a Shawnee with Arapahoe limbs for speed.
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Thanks guys. Keep the suggestions coming. My Fedora does not stack but I had to play a bit with the brace height to achieve that. Most of these kind of bows out there don't recommend a draw length over 27 or 28" (such as the new Bob Lee 54" hunter recurve and from what I have seen on Morrision's site as well). I draw 28 1/2".
Rivers Edge Recurves has a 54" Arroyo that is supposed to smoke an arrow, but that may pinch a bit at 28.5"s. I will know in about an hour as I am waitng on a call from them. Shawn
The Bear SuperMag would prolly fit your liking. However, I think you ask for too much in a short bow, my friend.
Jeff
A 52" Saluki Scythian, I have had about 3 guys with 30+ draws shoot my bow with no problem.
I would throw in the Shrew Lil' favorite, Ray Lyons and them say no stacking out to 29"s. Shawn
RER's new 54" recurve fit's your bill fine.I got one coming this weekend if everythhing works out.Great shooting bow and fast.<><
Emailed Ron and will give Bob a call tonight if I get a chance. I'll check out RER now.
Hey have you checked out the STALKER and the BUFFALO HUNTER by RODNEY WRIGHT ARCHERY!
I have tried both, and they are short fast sweet shooters.Just type in rodney wright archery and you should not have any trouble finding him.By the way his shop is in Canada.
Check out the new Bob Lee 54" Elite. Smooth, fast and comfortable to shoot. Picked one up at Trad Expo great little bow.
My draw is too long for the Bob Lee 54" from what thier web-site says anyway.
Suggest you take a test drive on the Black Widow PSR. BW has a good try it out program that'll only cost you shipping fees. The bow comes as a 1 piece or 2 piece, with a longbow grip or a recurve grip, the wait isn't too terribly long to have one built and the customer service is legendary. If you buy new you can get as fancy or plain as you want. This line of bows are new as of 2005 but there are enough built now that they show up on the used market fairly often.
A check to there website indcated that the "recommend" a 56" bow for your draw length, but I'd still give the 54" a try. If you build new the bowyer can structure those limbs specifically to our (yours and mine) draw length of 29 inches....Hey if you don't like the thing after it's built call me and I'll probably buy it. :wavey:
Thanks Mike for the recommendation. The only thing that has held me back from BW's in the past is their speed. Is this bow faster than their standard recurve?
Checked out the Widow web-site and it looks like the riser would be very small/light. 56" does look like the ticket.
I can't comment on the speed of Black Widow, I'm not a speedy guy, other attributes of a bow are far more important to me than speed. I guess you lays your money down and takes your chances...
To bad it has to be a recurve, The Super Shrew Classic Hunter is 54" and there is absolutely no finger pinch and I draw 29 inches as well. It's very smooth and fast enough for me but I am not a speed guy either!
Check out Ron LaClair's Shrew Scout Lil Favorite. The bow is a gem and shoots a nice arrow. It is a 54" recurve.
Tim
Look for an old Daymond Howatt Highspeed. Inexpensive, fast and short. You won't regret it.
I will say I am not a big Widow fan, but I have shot the TF and am in love with them. Their best performer by far. Shawn
Gosh, I have a 56 inch 50#&28" Browning Wasp that might fit your needs----she's pretty quick.
Jeff
Rodney's stalker is not for draws over 28". It stops there, up to 28 it is great.
Ive got a 54 in. Damon Howatt Hi speed 55@28 and draw it 28.5 and no finger pinch and its fast. You can find them real reasonable. Also have a 50 in. Browning Cobra 60@28 and draw it about the same, very little finger pinch but a little and its very quick and dead quiet w/MM string on it.
Basically the shorter the bow, the longer the working part of the limb has to be to get you the longer draw lengths. Longer working limb, heavier and slower. Longer bows can have a much shorter working limb to give you higher speed. Longer bow, more stability, heavier riser, more stability.
The best shooting short bows in my opinion have carbon limbs. This will get the speed back up some.
Anyone interested in trading a bow in this category for a Martin Dreamcatcher let me know via PM. Also, any other suggestions of bowyers would be appreciated. I've emailed a couple from your suggestions thus far. Thanks guys!
Mike
You are asking for a lot. I have a 60-inch Shawnee Arapaho that I draw to 28 inches. Based on my experience with that bow, I don't think a 54" Shawnee will work for you, but check with Bob to see what he says. The Cheyenne might be a better choice if Bob makes one that short. Have you shot many 56-60-inch bows? The added length is negligible, and they're a lot more stable.
check out a "bears paw" light speed at 56".neil makes a great bow.
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Chek-Mate "Attila" 56"
I've sold my widow recurve years ago. Tried to stop my brother from buying one, but he just had to have it. He's thinking of selling now and lQQking for something else.
I shot Guru's Kwyk Styk recurve at 56" last weekend and it smoked and hit right where I aimed. The best recurve I've ever shot.
I have a 52" bow and agree that anything past 56 would be like my 60" bow.
I shoot a 50 inch Turk from Saluki , if you get a chance to shoot one you will be suprised oohh and I draw mine to an honest 29 1/2 inches. Drew
I, too, seek a short recurve, one that allows me to shoot while drawing from ground seat, 18-28 inches off the ground.
One thing that may reduce angst is to use ILF carbon/foam limb set. I understand stacking is severely retarded. . . . Which brings me to other questions.
1. What bowyers offer ILF carbon/foam limb sets as option?
2. What bowyers will fit ILF carbon/foam limb set to one of their existing bows?
3. What bowyers will fit ILF carbon/foam limb set to other bowyers' risers?
4. Besides Morrison, who offers wood riser-ILF limb set bows?
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I understand there are EXTREMELY short carbon/foam limb sets available, but I don't know who makes them. These are reputed to be nearly impossible to obtain. And I do not know the length of "extremely short" limbs.
Just some thoughts.
Hoyt,DAS,Lancaster archerys Titan,warf.
ALL ILF compatable an there must be more.
From my own experiences with ILF stuff, I built a 57" ILF recurve. Stacked like an absolute bitch past 28-1/2"
I have an old Shakespeare X30 at 54" that's smooth all the way out to my 30" draw.
Bob Lee...JIm Belcher makes cool longhorn...Ron LaClair ...shrew
Great Plains builds the SR Swift recurve at 56" and is good out to 29" and is very quick.
Mike
The RER Arroyo is the way to go. I have had minee for seven months now and due to the static limb design the bow does not pinch or stack out to 30"s and it is a 54" recurve. Best short bow out there for your money or any money! Shawn
Ridgerunner TimberGhost has a hefty riser and no stack at short lengths....
You can search PowWow for pics...
cascade goldenhawk or blackhawk
Don't dismiss the Bob Lee 54"er so quick. I shot a Dark Archer last year that was smooth and fsst at my 30" draw with no finger pinch at all. That was with a thick leather glove, not a tab
well for those expectations i dont see why you shouldnt get bear kodiak mag!
Take Shawns advice. I did, and couldnt be happier....
54" RER Arroyo is a smoker!!!
I have a Ron LeClair "lil-favorite", 56#@27" and I draw 29 1/2, no stacking, very fast, feels like a feather in my hand....I'll be hunting with it tommorrow evening.
Try a Shrew
Till I took to shooting longbows I shot Cascades 52" magnum at 30" and 68# with no trouble,probably took 30 head of game with it and no problems ever-I shoot just about every day.Great bows and Steve Gorr is great to work with
Short bows don't necessarily stack any more than longer ones if the riser/limb ratio is maintained for smoothness. The Kodiak Magnum doesn't stack till about 30"...although guys will tell you it does. You must put them on a scale to see for sure. Finger pinch is more of an issue with short bows, than is stacking.
If you want mass, get phenolic in the riser...don't go to a long riser or you will get a bow that isn't as smooth.
George,
Agree with you to a point, as a general rule riser to limb ratio is the general rule in maintaining a stack free short bow, but this can be tweeked by adding a static tip and changing limb tapers, which does allows the bow to change from a draw to a compression. A bow which is forced into compression can have a longer riser with shorter limbs, and still get the smoothness of a longer bow. Finger pinch is not as much of an issue either as the string angle changes under these conditions. Also, riser mass is not a critical in stablizing a static recurve as the limb angle assures the nock to nock point is closer to the shooter's arm. This action stabilizes the bow without the need for center weight. Just another point of view in trying to achieve what Mike is after.
Brent
Brent is right on and George i have scaled several Kodiak mags and have to disagree with you. I have a lefty 45#er right now and it is dead on the money at 28"s but goes to 49#s at 29"s and 53 almost 54#s at 30"s. I believe the static tips mak e auge difference as my 54" Arroyo gains 3#s per inch all the way to 31"s it is 52#s at 28"s and only a tad over 60#s at 31"s. Shawn
Interesting guys. The two K-Mags I did force draws on didn't show stacking effect until 30"; just goes to show yah. I'll defer to the bowmakers when it comes to the gozintos 8^).
Ask the bowyer where the bow stacks,or look at the draw curves.
If you have a short draw like me they are all good at my draw length of 27".
Shooting 3 under gets rid of that nasty finger pinch also.
I love short bows, and there are lots to choose from.
Brent's Sheepeater is a dandy!!super light weight, silent and quick, I like the obsidian best of his choices.
Another one to look at that I have been shooting is the 52" Toelke recurve, Nice, real nice.
I have several short bow reviews on my site, and more on the way that may be of help. www.peteward.com (http://www.peteward.com) click trad reviews.
I think that short bows get an undeserved bad rap. If you shoot in cramped quarters, blinds, and thick stuff, they can't be beat.