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Title: Moose Attack
Post by: Whip on February 17, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
This isn't directly traditional related, but the pictures are just so amazing I had to share.  I guess these hunters are about as traditional as you can get.  
They were forwarded to me with a memo saying they had been taken by a late season bow hunter in Northern Minnesota.  I don't know how the guy ever got out of his tree!
 (http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Jlasch/CopyofaJE1H0054.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Jlasch/CopyofaJE1H0097.jpg)


(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Jlasch/CopyofaJE1H0187.jpg)

(http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y80/Jlasch/CopyofaJE1H0412.jpg)
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: CHAD on February 17, 2007, 10:22:00 PM
That is wild. Good luck slipping out of the tree with out being seen with that many eyes.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: vermonster13 on February 17, 2007, 10:24:00 PM
Pictures were taken from a helicopter
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Dan Worden on February 17, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
VT ya beat me to it.

Go here for the whole story and a couple other very cool stories about the woves involverd.

It an Isle Royale web page

http://www.isleroyalewolf.org/photo_essay.htm
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Robert Honaker on February 18, 2007, 12:13:00 AM
U don't miss much, do ya Vermonster?!
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Whip on February 18, 2007, 12:16:00 AM
A helicopter sure makes more sense than a guy in a treestand.  After watching something like that I think I would have decided that I could just live the rest of my life right up in that tree!

Regardless, it is an incredible glimpse into a world very few ever see.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Hunter John on February 18, 2007, 01:30:00 AM
Very cool pics,thanks Dan for the link,I have been reading there for most of the afternoon.

John
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Danny Rowan on February 18, 2007, 02:32:00 AM
Dang, If I was in a tree and had a full quiver just look at all the new quivers and such I could of had,LOL. Cool pics.

Danny
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Steve H. on February 18, 2007, 02:47:00 AM
Hope he had a big quiver full of arrows, and a shovel......

Oh ,wait, that wasn't very PC of me!
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Frank AK on February 18, 2007, 03:01:00 AM
wow what a series of photos.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Shakes.602 on February 18, 2007, 07:20:00 AM
I could see  ME  taking Those Pics, about the time I Fell Outta the Tree in the Midst of it!!
    Get All caught up in the Moment, and Splat!! Shakes for Dessert!  :scared:    :scared:    :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Osagetree on February 18, 2007, 07:59:00 AM
Once in a 10 lifetime chance of seeing that?
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Doug S on February 18, 2007, 03:55:00 PM
Too many Wolves!
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Walt Francis on February 18, 2007, 04:10:00 PM
Steve, I am with Danny on this one, though the shovel is good advise.  I might not have enough arrows for all of them but they would be thinned out.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: bentpole on February 18, 2007, 05:16:00 PM
WOOOOFAAAA heavy duty right there!
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: madness522 on February 18, 2007, 05:17:00 PM
If the guy had been in a tree stand he would have ran out of arrows before wolves!
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: flungonin on February 19, 2007, 12:28:00 AM
Thats why you take plenty of arrows. Even if they are blunts. Man what I wouldn't give to trade places when that pic was taken. Quiver full of arrows(flu flu's, blunts and broad heads), then on the ground bayonet and hatchet. Get some, get it all. Waitin for an invite
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: String Cutter on February 19, 2007, 12:44:00 AM
I'ld be more afraid of the moose then the wolves. From what I understand only a handfull of people have ever been attacked by a wolf in the U.S. in recorded history and the only one killed was a small child.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Brian Krebs on February 19, 2007, 02:30:00 AM
String Cutter:
 Most people that are exposed to wolf envirnment in the PAST have been hunters; or trappers and in general - armed people.
People chased by wolves don't get counted by pro-wolf people for any data.
I do know of one person that was killed by wolves; I saw a long explanation of how the guy screwed up by running ( after other methods failed) and that MADE the wolves chase the man and kill him. I am sure the wolves are in therapy now - if I got the point of the wolf biologists story about it.
I can tell you that where I live they are pushing the limit- I lost a baby donkey to a pack of wolves that had been and did; stampede my pack stock- I was there and saw it happen.
Because it died when it jumped and fell on its nose; and broke its neck- the death will figure into absolutely no data anywhere.
That is the dirty little secret. You get chased; it doesn't go down as wolf aggression; it is not recorded that way anywhere- because its just a case of the wolves mistaking a human for an elk.
Thing is; the fish and game here tells people to back up and walk away; and that is not something I think a preditor such as this: to learn is acceptable behavior !
And its not an uncommon thing either!!
I have seen wolves kill a deer and an elk near my cabin - I just walked outside at the right time. Although: the story on the moose killed- was that it lasted 40 minutes; from first contact- to the apparent death of the moose.
I have seen them chasing lone antelope; and I have seen 3 legged bears ( Alaska biologists learned in studies that wolves pull bears from their dens- 3 legged bears are survivors) and there are 'lost dog' and 'lost cat' posters in North Fork and Salmon- and I know people that have lost hunting dogs to the wolves.
I know a trapper that has trapped for 60 years plus; and he lost every single animal he trapped to wolves in one of two areas he was trapping.
Thing is - the more we put up with the bad behavior - the higher the chances of a human being killed.
Outfitters and their hunters have had to back off from the wolves; and everyone now is waiting for the wolves to be delisted and for tags to be issued.
From the original goal of establishing 100 wolves and 10 breeding pairs -before control measures would begin- we are up to 41 known breeding pairs and 700+ wolves.
The sick part is the waste- they don't eat all they kill; or follow up what they injure.
I watched a cow elk with back of the leg injuries the other day - that had magpies on it all down its back; and they were picking at the wounds- they do that until they hit an artery...it came into yards of a house for protection from the wolves.
 It is a traditional bow issue; the pro wolf people gloat about when the wolves kill all the deer and elk and the 'hunters are left with nothing to hunt'.
Its a sick situation to find a half dozen rotten bull elk with bites out of their back legs; where they got tricked into running uphill into deep snow- where the long legged wolves rip them up.
WE HAD WOLVES BEFORE THEY BROUGHT THESE IN FOR 'REINTRODUCTION'.
Our fish and game had a gag order put on them to keep silent about that- as the native wolves were 1/3 smaller - it was all about politics.
Our governor at the time is now the secretary of the interior.
 Its sick on every level.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Frank V on February 19, 2007, 06:33:00 AM
I wonder if any newspaper would publish those pictures letters to editor & maybe contact local TV news channel. If we could get pictures like this in front of the public maybe just maybe things would change. Frank
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: ChuckC on February 19, 2007, 11:07:00 AM
Typically, dogs (meaning wolves) kill large game by pulling it down en mass and they start eating it from behind before the thing is dead.  At leat cats tend to kill the thing before they eat it.

I have seen video footage of a deer with its head up watching wolves eat its hind quarter as it lay there dying.  What a way to go.

Predators eat what is easy.  People are VERY easy, even for younger predators.  It will happen, already has with big cats out in California and a few other places.  

The only saving graces in history is, as mentioned before, the people that experienced them in "the old days" typically were robust folks that had weapons. Even aat that, how does "history" know who was killed and eaten in the mountains or Canada's expanses when nobody was there to witness it or go looking.

Now the big predators are being seen near cities and we are moving into the country. As more wolves and big cats come on the scene, they will be pushed into new and far reaching areas. A younger Wolf from a NE Wisconsin pack was (car) killed in eastern Indiana a few years ago  

Cats and dogs are easier to catch than deer.  Your kids out playing are easier still.
ChuckC
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: J-dog on February 19, 2007, 12:51:00 PM
I don't doubt it will happen, a wolf killing a human. It has happened though maybe not recorded, but with ther being no control on them yet then they will be like the lions w/no hunting pressure, they will find some hiker or jogger and run them down. Bound to happen/

If I was out there and lost my dog to wolves or worse yet THOUGHT they were a threat to my family. I will just say I would be standing in front of a judge.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: alpo on February 19, 2007, 01:36:00 PM
neat pic's & vidio if you follow the link.... certainly have to keep the fear in them anywhere around communities, but I believe the wolves deserve some protection & room to roam wild & do their thing.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: Shawn Leonard on February 19, 2007, 01:44:00 PM
Yup and if wolves can do that to a moose, think about what coyotes are doing to your deer herd!! Shawn
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: vermonster13 on February 19, 2007, 02:36:00 PM
WOlves killed a man in Canada last year.

Yes Robert, I don't miss much. I try to keep a look out for hunting everywhere I can. There is a lot that could be added to this story but that is an issue for the HIP Forum.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: bentpole on February 19, 2007, 04:19:00 PM
Brian well written Bud. That is some great information you too Chuck. I've been educated today.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: leftyfred on February 19, 2007, 06:12:00 PM
Very nice thread on the Isle Royale site about the east pack exterminating the Alpha male from another pack who unfortunately strolled a little too close to the neighboring territory.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: bowdude on February 19, 2007, 07:08:00 PM
The thing is they will lie lie lie that anyone never gets killed.  Saw a special a few years ago about Kodiak island brown bears and this "specialist" was saying there was no evidence that a single human has ever been killed by a brown bear!  ??   :mad:  
 The new talk here because of under the skin transmitters, Drop, Drag, Drown in creek.
Title: Re: Moose Attack
Post by: buck-tamer00 on February 19, 2007, 07:14:00 PM
i dont like wolves!!