Who shoots them and what degree do you have them set to. What fletcher do you use . Thank you
That's all I shoot. The ones in the pic are 3.5 inch most of the time I shoot 4 inch but have used 5 inch.
I use a Bitz and don't know the angle just move the clamp until i get the best seating.
Shot this group yesterday with these 4 fletch,getting ready for a hunt on the 19th.
[attachment=1]
Four 4". Bitz. Pretty much straight.
60x120 is what I used. Used my straight clamps , no offset.
Quote from: 1Longbow on February 07, 2023, 02:27:43 PM
Who shoots them and what degree do you have them set to. What fletcher do you use . Thank you
Ok, new guy has gotta ask: what is advantage/disadvantage with 4 fletch as opposed to 3? I like the looks, but is that all there is? Of course, if they were to guarantee I shoot a group in a can as tight as those above, I'm sticking another on, :biglaugh:
Over the years, turkeys are being processed at younger and younger ages such that the primaries are now too short to get two 5-inches fletches out of one feather. That's why I switched to 4-fletch. I can still get get two 4-inch fletches out of one feather. A bit more economical, and the surface area of 4 4-inch four fletch is about the same (a tad more) than 3 5-inch fletches. Of course one could go with 4-inch three fletch for even more economy. Probably wouldn't notice any difference in arrow guidance. Arrow would be a tad faster than 3 5-inch fletch as well.
4x4" parabolics at 90 degrees. Straight clamp slight offset. Super stable and quiet. No nock orientation worries. Blitz fletcher.
The only difference I found was in hunting you don't have to look down when you knock an arrow. They/some claim it straightens the arrow quicker which I found for me it didn't matter so I shoot 3 fletch.
I shot the buck in my avatar picture using an arrow that was fletched with 4, 4" shield cut feathers.
I believe Roger Rothhaar used 4 fletch arrows and he killed more giant whitetails than just about anyone that ever lived.
You can shoot shorter feathers/ vanes with 4 fletch and you get more steering. The real advantage to going to 4 fletch and the shorter vanes is less cross wind drift.
Tried 2, 3 and 4 fletch - they all work with 4 fletch and 2.5 inch feathers seeming to be faster and quieter. No nock orientation and dare I say broadhead orientation issues - even less if using a 3 blade bh.
#1 Nocking with less attention and faster.
#2 Quicker stabilization.
#3 Even though I can take my *Magic T* with me to many various positions, it can be a contribution to those shots I have to manufacture during the chase.
#4 I use florescent chartreuse fletching, so the extra feather makes them more visible in route and at impact for a more accurate perception of shot placement.
Wind drift is a none issue for me as I just adjust for that like a sniper and pick my spot accordingly. That happens very rarely.
I don't worry about any minute amount of speed loss as I've never lost an animal due to an extra feather. On the other hand, an extra feather has probably contributed at one time or another. Also, if an extra feather had cost me an animal, or caused me pause or worry about speed, I need a better bow, not one less feather.
:campfire:
Some of the posts are based on four fletch having more total feather area. If they both have the same total feather area, four fletch and three fletch have the same drag. Four fletch has slightly, probably insignificantly, better stabilization due to more of the feather area being further back on the shaft, and 4 fletch has 18% less cross wind susceptibility That is because of the way the feathers partially block each other from the side. That's from a simple calculation in which the arrow is rotated through 360 deg. However, when I have tested it in moderate crosswinds, I can't really tell the difference.
More economical due to getting more short fletches from a full length feather.
An extra glue joint to worry about.
Takes longer to fletch a set of arrows.
Can't use an AZ EZ-Fletch jig (I don't want to, but some like them)
Poorer feather clearance, although again, I can't tell the difference in field testing.
You can use nocks without an indicator and not care.
Quote from: Alexander Traditional on February 07, 2023, 03:02:05 PM
Shot this group yesterday with these 4 fletch,getting ready for a hunt on the 19th.
[attachment=1,msg3023491]
You do not use your AS bow ...! :archer:
A member here named "Snag" used to build beautiful arrows for me. He recommended four 4" fletching, so I tried it. I really liked them, but sadly he had to give it up for health reasons.
They were works of art. They flew great and it didn't matter which way you nocked them.
They do look better painted red!
I played with 4 fletch arrows years ago using 2.5" feathers on some EFOC arrows, and can't honestly say I was feeling the love. But.... The whole EFOC trials didn't last too long for me. After a few 3D shoots I gave it up. Didn't care for the long range trajectory differences, and the tail wagging arrows..... But for most guys it's a short range hunting set up that has proven to get slightly better penetration. Some guys swear by it....
I tried the shorter 4 fletch arrows again on moderately balanced FOC arrows and they were ok.... But I still preferred the better spin I got running a low profile 3 fletch with a helical, and the cock feather maintained consistency on arrow knock rotation.
If you are using aluminum shafts with very consistent spine tolerances you can get away with nocking your arrows 180 degrees different on a 4 fletch set up with very little noticeable difference......
But if you are using wood shafts, or economical carbon shafts, rotating those shafts on the string 180 degrees can make a huge difference how the come out of the bow. Often times certain carbon shafts are worse than woodies for spine deflection differences.... So I disagree with the thoughts about not having to worry about 4 fletch arrow nock orientation. Just for fun... try spine testing your carbon shafts some time rotating them 90 degrees at a time.... You might be surprised at the differences.
When I tuned my 4 fletch arrows using carbon shafts I used a locator nock to keep the spine consistency towards the shelf.......
With all that being said, I'm kind of anal about tuning arrows and spine consistency. But...... Whatever works for you, and you have confidence in, is the best set up.... Kirk
Kirk, I mark one side of my nock, shoot the new arrow twice nocked in both positions, then they go in my quiver. I have yet to cull a single one to date. Maybe the spine Gods are looking after me. :archer:
Kirk, I also need to add that the most likely reason for that is I have been using radial wrapped carbons for nearly over 2 decades.
Kirk, like you I also spine orient and even knock tune so the disregard knock position doesn't work. Terry what arrows are you running? Also for Terry how does one go about getting your archery information book, I believe I saw Ohio Chris mention it. Feel free to pm me if more acceptable. Thanks!
Quote from: Terry Green on February 12, 2023, 12:17:18 PM
Kirk, I also need to add that the most likely reason for that is I have been using radial wrapped carbons for nearly over 2 decades.
Absolutely! .....It makes a huge difference with shaft quality. I spine tested a bunch of different shafts, and found that the economy carbon shafts were the worst ones for spine constancy. Some of them worse than woodies........ But there are a few brands out there that are not too bad... The Beman Hunters are pretty economical, and you can get some pretty closely matched sets out of them if you take your time building them....
Another thing is..... The average archer may not see the difference much at all. Once you get to the point where you have to shoot different spots on your target with broadheads to avoid blowing nocks and cutting fletching off your arrows..... Then you will notice variation in spine a lot more.
What brand of arrows do you like the best Terry? There are so many different brands it will make a guy dizzy any more. Kirk
60x120 4" feathers on all my aluminum arrows for the last 20 years. I started using when taking my son and his scout troop to 3D shoots. The kids need not worry about knocking an arrow incorrectly. Fly same as 3 5" fletch.
I'll answer tomorrow Kirk...
I've got a set brewing now. Got em hitting right out to 20 yards. Gonna put together 3&3 to ensure flight is right. Then fletch a dozen for this season of TBOT shoots.
I've used 4-4" set at 60/120 with as much helical as I can get on my 5/16" carbons for almost 20 years and see no reason to change.
About 7 or 8 years ago, I got into 4 fletch ...... 4" shields, 90 degrees. I loved the way they flew and I was happy and shot that set up for several years. All fletch mentioned here are shield cut. Forget exactly why, maybe cuz I got a new bow I'm thinking, I ended up shooting some older 3 fletch 5" that I had in my surplus. They flew very nice. Built some 4 fletch on the same shafting model as the 3 five inch fletched ......and they did fly very nice also ...... BUT ........ I noticed there was a very tangible sound difference between the 2! The 3 fives being much quieter! I had never compared the 2 side by side, and was so used to the 4 fletch at that point.
Flight was very similar if not exactly the same, I could see the 4 fours better in flight no mistake, but the 3 fives were like a soft breath compared to ever so slight hissing quill noise the 4 fletchers made in flight. Maybe it was the culmination of all things tuning wise with my tackle .......maybe my ears are sensitive.......maybe I'm nuts. However it may be, I'm all about the 3 5inchers now again and my money is on not going back to 4 fletch. Was the sound difference enough to make a difference if shooting at game? Well not exactly sure but figured if it were a noticeable difference to me with human senses, it might just be the same or more significant for the critter senses and maybe I'm better off without that variable. Just my experiences and observations on the matter for me.
Oh and if anyone was wondering, same helical as well. I've been using JoJan for at least 30 years now.
Like most everything in archery, if you think it makes a difference, it does.
I am currently trying 3" parabolic feathers vs my 4" shields.
So far I can't see a difference but these are 3 fletch.