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So even if you're getting a dozen raw wood arrow shafts for $40, you'll have an additional $20-25 in shipping costs.
I normally order my shafts full length, and cut them down myself to whatever length shaft I need to make a 29" arrow. With the new surcharge, it would make sense to pay the seller an extra $5 to cut them to length, if he can find a box that is exactly 30" to ship them in. Of course, with many vendors offering free shipping, we'll probably just see this surcharge as an increase in the price of shafts.
Kinda rough on my customers as most lams are 36" in length. Getting tougher to have a small business.
Any added cost to doing business is a kick in the teeth. With the economy in the shape it's in why would they pull this now? :banghead:
The USPS is supposed to offer affordable postal services to the general public. It also has a mandate to operate within the limits of the money it collects. The two don't add up, unfortunately, and haven't added up for some time. The fees charged by UPS and FedEx have already been adjusted to reflect increased operating costs, which I suppose is mainly increased fuel costs. Obviously, few people are going to be willing to pay $100 in shipping costs to get something that cost $100 or less to buy, but that seems to be what it's coming to.
Not to be negative, but you might wait until Monday to see if this is actually a fact.
I've slowed way down as I am stocked up on almost everything,but I might would check out UPS.
I'd suggest you order enough shafts to last a while when you do. I too order full length and cut but normally wait for a sale to get several dozen at a time.
... thank you Loius Dejoy...
... you get what you vote for...
Quote from: Al Dean on March 31, 2022, 09:51:18 AM
Not to be negative, but you might wait until Monday to see if this is actually a fact.
I asked my postmaster and she has same sheet as pictured ...
Quote from: kennym on March 31, 2022, 01:23:35 PM
Quote from: Al Dean on March 31, 2022, 09:51:18 AM
Not to be negative, but you might wait until Monday to see if this is actually a fact.
I asked my postmaster and she has same sheet as pictured ...
... I admit, my first thought was, "it's an april fools joke", but no.... it's on the USPS web site.... :readit:
Have 5 dozen shafts being given to me, if I come pick them up. 3 hours drive one way, but I can always combine with something else I want in the general area. Would work out to @$24 per dozen.
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I recently shipped a takedown recurve to Arizona. Price including insurance ($1000) via USPS was quoted at $45.75. I checked with UPS and shipped the bow with insurance for $25.85. I was surprised at the price difference, and I even asked the gentleman as UPS if he was certain that he'd charged me the right amount.
I will NEVER NEVER NEVER use USPS to ship a bow again, they "lost" one that I shipped during the last St Judes auction and then would not honor the $350 insurance that I had taken out because I had no receipt from when I got it to prove value. It was a bow that I had won during St Judes 2 yrs ago. Appealed twice, denied twice.
Quote from: BAK on March 31, 2022, 09:20:23 AM
Any added cost to doing business is a kick in the teeth. With the economy in the shape it's in why would they pull this now? :banghead:
Because they can...
It sucks for sure, USPS has to factor fuel costs like everybody else. But, it's a documented fact that the Post Master General want to cut services and raise prices to the tune of $58 billion over a 10yr period. Guess who picks up the slack?
Quote from: Flem on April 03, 2022, 10:38:07 AM
It sucks for sure, USPS has to factor fuel costs like everybody else. But, it's a documented fact that the Post Master General want to cut services and raise prices to the tune of $58 billion over a 10yr period. Guess who picks up the slack?
That will help UPS out...
I shipped off 4 bows yesterday, and asked the postal clerks about it and they said haven't heard anything about those additional charges. But if for some reason it happens, I'll just have to change the way I do things.
First label printed, 38x7x1 weighing 1 lb 4 oz sending to TX USPS $26.75 --- UPS $13.36
So I'm assuming the $15 surcharge is for real folks....
I ship a lot of laminations, so this is a bite in the a$$ for myself and my customers.
I can now charge the $15 extra or buy boxes to ship with UPS (postal boxes were free )
It will have to be passed on to consumer either way...
I just checked the package weight without the extra length and it was $11.75 so it's for sure a surcharge.
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Guys if it's an extra 15 bucks, just don't order one dozen. Order 3-4 if need be to offset costs. Even if you pair w a neighbor to do so. I bet 3 dozen is same price as 1 dozen to ship
I just found it on the website, sure enough, $15.00 surcharge. I'm sick of this crap, costs of everything exploding, I think I'll just work for somebody else, put in my time, clock out and let them deal with the ins and outs of the business. Or try UPS, but I can't even recover my user id and password, with their website.
I'm with you Mike, much more of this and a lot of us will shut the doors...
I just sent a bow (T/D) out today, no surcharge, guess it's going to affect longer boxes
Pete, over 30" is the $15 surcharge. From 22-30" it's a $4 surcharge. Under 22" no surcharge.
Just shipped a longbow in 72" pvc tube. Yes $15 sur charge over 30". Over all for insurance and everything, NE to FL $45.40. This is about double the last bow I shipped, whatever. The sad part is this is $15 for over 30" not 60 or 72 or 84. Going to be hard to afford arrows. Oh well, welcome to our time, somethings are better and some are not.
My Riverwolf Alpha quiver just cost me an extra $30. It'll pay off when crawling/moving through thick Mesquite and black brush. I can remember gas at 35 cents, what happened there?
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Al Dean, nothing is better, not a damn thing.
I had a takedown bow delivered to me from within my own state. I expected it to be a little high because I needed it 2-day guaranteed. I about fell out when I was hit with $91.25!!!
Bisch
Quote from: Mike Mecredy on April 03, 2022, 10:47:56 PM
I just found it on the website, sure enough, $15.00 surcharge. I'm sick of this crap, costs of everything exploding, I think I'll just work for somebody else, put in my time, clock out and let them deal with the ins and outs of the business. Or try UPS, but I can't even recover my user id and password, with their website.
Mike, for the current order that I have with you... I ordered it before this cost kicked in, and you'll ship it and have to pay the cost... just let me know what the total shipping cost is... I'll cover it for sure.
Quote from: Mike Mecredy on April 06, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
Al Dean, nothing is better, not a damn thing.
Mike, I would be dead with yesterdays medicine. My 2022 Dodge Ram big Horn is the best pick up I have ever owned. My wife (second wife) is the best woman I have ever known. Please feel free to forward this to her.
Certainly Al dean, there are things that are better with me personally, Like I'm in better shape physically than I was 5 years ago, but I can't think of anything that's really going on that's better for the collective population. My truck as well, is about the best vehicle I ever owned, but it was way over priced, I don't think it's really worth even half of what I paid for it. But I'm not even going to write all the stuff that went down hill over the last year or 2. :deadhorse:
Sorry about that Michael. It was a $15 ship charge before the $15 surcharge . I am truly sorry , and hate to have to pass on this cost. .....I checked USPS and we could have saved a couple bucks going that route ground. This usually runs an average of 8 days and many truck/load changes. UPS is even more crazy 3 day (my quote was about another $10 over usps) UPS retail is ground and again , save a few bucks ($3) and wait an average of 5 more days and many more load changes ?
It's bad . Almost all materials have doubled (if you can find them) and now this.
Not meant to be negitive , it's just the world we live in now , and it's just wrong....
Quote from: Archie on April 06, 2022, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: Mike Mecredy on April 03, 2022, 10:47:56 PM
I just found it on the website, sure enough, $15.00 surcharge. I'm sick of this crap, costs of everything exploding, I think I'll just work for somebody else, put in my time, clock out and let them deal with the ins and outs of the business. Or try UPS, but I can't even recover my user id and password, with their website.
Mike, for the current order that I have with you... I ordered it before this cost kicked in, and you'll ship it and have to pay the cost... just let me know what the total shipping cost is... I'll cover it for sure.
Kick as$ Tradganger right there!!! :clapper:
Quote from: Russell Southerland on April 07, 2022, 04:36:26 AM
Quote from: Archie on April 06, 2022, 04:48:35 PM
Quote from: Mike Mecredy on April 03, 2022, 10:47:56 PM
I just found it on the website, sure enough, $15.00 surcharge. I'm sick of this crap, costs of everything exploding, I think I'll just work for somebody else, put in my time, clock out and let them deal with the ins and outs of the business. Or try UPS, but I can't even recover my user id and password, with their website.
Mike, for the current order that I have with you... I ordered it before this cost kicked in, and you'll ship it and have to pay the cost... just let me know what the total shipping cost is... I'll cover it for sure.
Kick as$ Tradganger right there!!! :clapper:
X1,2,and 3!!!
Kick as$ Tradganger right there!!! :clapper:
I couldn't agree more....except for adding "ALL" traditional archers/bowhunters to that !
I had a few transactions that took place during this USPS surcharge. ( as in blindsided by them)The gents(Michael) one of them . We discussed this before the dealings were complete. They, like above agreed without hesitation to cover the surcharge . I applaud such men of honor as well....THANK YOU ! :clapper:
I have updated my shipping rates, to meet customers in the middle with the new surcharge. Those who have orders on my books before USPS, gave us their surprise, don't need to do anything. It's just part of owning a business, sometimes the other business you count on increase what they charge for one reason or another and we have to deal with it. For years I've been trying not to kick the can down the road to my customers, but this time, what the U.S. postal service did will set me back an additional $200 - $300 a month, so I had no choice really. I could get it if they increased the rates, and that came with increased quality and improved customer service, but it'll just be more of the same for twice the cost.
Economically speaking, I tend to agree with Mike. Not a damned thing. There have been very many conscientious postal workers who have developed a bad reputation due to the ineffective management of things that they can't fix. I don't intend any criticism toward these folks, but their management structure is inefficient. That said, I received a new bow yesterday that arrived without a hitch. Problem is, things will only get worse and not just regarding USPS.
Quote from: RIVERWOLF on April 07, 2022, 01:14:47 AM
Sorry about that Michael. It was a $15 ship charge before the $15 surcharge . I am truly sorry , and hate to have to pass on this cost. .....I checked USPS and we could have saved a couple bucks going that route ground. This usually runs an average of 8 days and many truck/load changes. UPS is even more crazy 3 day (my quote was about another $10 over usps) UPS retail is ground and again , save a few bucks ($3) and wait an average of 5 more days and many more load changes ?
It's bad . Almost all materials have doubled (if you can find them) and now this.
Not meant to be negitive , it's just the world we live in now , and it's just wrong....
Thanks, for your offer. I am more than happy to pay your total asking price. I e-mailed you stating the same. Just a little vent, is all.
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Ralph;
A triangular box arrived this afternoon, artfully decorated and stoutly packaged. You will receive an envelop soon. Thanks, I'm very pleased with the contents.
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Great to hear she arrived timely (2 days) . Mostly that you are happy. Been a pleasure working with you Michael!....Enjoy !
sincerely,
Ralph"Riverwolf"Webb
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I'll have to adjust to the quiver I'm sure, but that is to be expected.
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Well boys, UPS (brown truck) just backcharged me $18.00 with explanation of "charges were added later"
Deal was complete with customer, so I eat it I reckon ...
So the $15.00 surcharge may not be that bad , at least they told me up front... :banghead:
$15-$!8=does it really matter. They are both wrong....imho... It's pretty sick what is going on and the repercussions will be vast.
What irritated me was the back charge . If I know up front it's a whole different ballgame
I think if you can truly check you will find they raised more than just the $15 surcharge. Looks to me like they raised at least 15% on the over all cost.
I sent a text to my USPS rep on Friday to see what the deal was... I had noticed a couple shipping charges I thought were excessive... but then, I rarely help with shipping so I wasn't sure.
This is what he told me: USPS teams with UPS and FedEx to ship some of their products.. and vice versa. UPS and FedEx have implemented these charges upon USPS
BigJim
My gripe was with UPS , at least USPS tells me in advance they are gonna rip me.
UPS waited a few days til deal was done and customer had paid, then charged my card the extra. I won't backcharge a customer so I get to eat that one...
Oh, it was weighed and measured correctly too.
BINGO....Thank you Jim ;^)
I just told my wife a few days ago after several of these "surcharges" and looking over UPS & FEDEX charges , and knowing USPS plays hand-off---hot-potatoe with our packages that it was pretty funny the difference was almost exactly that same $15 surcharge. I knew that had something to do with it....
The point is we didn't lay down our money nor drop our valuable products off at UPS or Fedex for delivery did we? No...Yet USPS subs out what they don't want and makes us pay the difference .....Time to remove the US from usps?
Ralph,
You may very well be right, now. But when I was a sectional center Postmaster, every morning UPS and FedX dropped around 90 parcels at my dock for the USPS to make the final delivery. (Over 15 years ago)
I do not know what arrangements were made or who benefited the most, but it was at the national level. I doubt anyone was forced to participate.
Is anyone here really surprised that the rates went up significantly when our gas prices have gone up over a dollar a gallon? With no end in sight? Energy costs have affected virtually everything in our country. You can decide for yourself what caused that.
Gary , I have also known about the same amount of time as you that they all play hot potatoe with our packages;) Most pay little attention to that stuff. I like to know who is doing a job I pay to have done. They were chosen for a reason.
Yep , gas sets it all in motion...but we are talking a $15 price hike across the board over 30". How many millions of packages a day fit that slot ? To my knowledge going by what I could find on-line they do like 65=68 (167 mil mail pieces)mil. packages a day . They travel "most "the routes 6 days a week delivering mail anyways . How one can justify a $15 hike ?
What was costing everyone $15 on average days ago now cost $30 . I'd like to see the real math on that one. Also with everything like it is (yea started with fuel day one) the USPS picks now to do this. Yep, drop the US ;)
Bad is this will be the end of many small & large buisnesses alike with small profit margins . Fuel doubled working toward triple , all materials doing the same, and now this kind of a hike to deliver it......Not exactly a plan for success eh......but maybe that is the plan.... :readit:
Lots of archery products are over 30" or require over 30" box to ship . I hate to see where this goes in the near future.....That's enough of that eh ;^))
I just hope for "all of us" that things turn around sooner rather than later :campfire:
Yep Ralph
You ask a lot of good questions that I can't answer. As you stated, I hope things turn around sooner rather than later.
the problem with USPS rates, once they go up that's how it stays, unless it goes up more. I've not seen it fluctuate down. Likewise I've never seen the price of stamps go down.
I think my post office goofed... maybe not... sent a bow from ga to KY insured 300 for 32 dollars...
If you minus 15 that's pretty cheap... shhhhh...
Yesterday I sent 3 bows, the total was just a shade under $114. The receipt itemized the charges, and for everyone it shows the $15 sure charge. Week before last, I sent out 5 bows, all over 30" and the total for Five was $86 and some change, so it's a real thing.
Ok Mike... not arguing....
Just seems that the way rates were before the surcharge $17 insured for 300 sounds cheap for a month ago.... but I don't know.
I know you ain't arguing. I'm just really frustrated with the inflation. Even the finish I use, last Dec I paid $7.99 a can, now I pay $11.99 for the same thing. It didn't get any better. I'll probably be forced to raise my prices just to meet inflation. But if I do, everyone can bet that I'm going to figure out some way to improve, my bows to justify it.
You bet Mike! I've been complaining about shipping for 2 years and now this!
Best to ya Sir!
Small or big boxes it's all going up that's for sure.
Took 6 days for a small pre-paid "priority" package to get to me last week.
I had another thought, this could have a negative effect on the St Judes auction..?
I just sent a take down recurve to MI. Twenty-eight inches long, but I got hit with the surcharge for being over two cubic feet. I just can't send a bow without a lot of packaging around it. I used bubble wrap around each individual piece and two inch thick foam sheets around that.
I insured for $800 and total cost was $42.70