In my entire history of 40 years of bow hunting....
Never have I experienced this prefect shot placement with this results.... simply miraculous that everything was perfect for a double lung that wasn't so perfect...
Are you paying attention???? 4 blade Zwickey
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Exit....Hole 2 covered up..... we didn't pull down leg...
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Hang in there... flying by the seat of my pants
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As Patrick as my witness, and a doctor, we found during autopsy that I had made the one in a million shot to pass through both lungs .... yet the worst possible placement....
Hold on.......
I would take this shot 509 times in a row....
No reason not to....
Very interesting and enlightening. :campfire: :coffee:
Jason
And this is what happened.... all the planets were aligned.... and I passed through the most slimmest part of the lungs you could ever do.... BOTH of them.
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It was interesting to have Pat explain the medical reason why this happened. Not all double lungs are alike.
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There are tons of people smarter than me, but I have seen some similar scenarios play out, incliuding on my Cape Buffalo bull. It has led me to frequently say that not all double lung hits are created equal.
As Terry said, most people would take this shot everytime if they can make it, and it is still a little hard to believe that the hog lasted as long as it did, given the blood trail.
Now, there are alot of misconceptions about what happens when a broadhead penetrates the lungs. Contrary to what many think, the lungs really don't resemble balloons. They don't instantly deflate. They are composed of very small air sacs, called alveoli, that communicate with the airways, as well as blood vessels, and lymphatics for fighting infection. The further along the perphery of the lungs you are, the smaller that the airways are that supply the alveoli, and the less the lung is likely to deflate initially. The blood vessels also are smaller and there is correspondingly less bleeding. Now, as time goes on the bleeding gets into some of the other airways and blocks them and causes the lungs to collapse and reduced trasnsport of oxygen to the blood, but you can see how this can lead to longer trails, both in terms of distance and time to expiration. If the hit is too small, especially if only one lung is hit, the animal can actually live.
Now, I know this may be contrary to what some people think, but people can live without one lung as well, although that is usually after a surgeon controls the bleeding. It is important to realize that people have lung biopses and partial resections everyday, and still survive. I don't want to infer that these are the same situation as putting an arrow through an animal, but there are some parallels.
Great stuff Patrick. Yes the blood trail was sever considering... .. pics on LTR 2 thread.
Great information, pictures are way better on my computer than on my phone. I always like to see the results from the after effects of broadheds. Thanks.
Jason
Just got off the phone with Patrick.... relieving it all both his and my hunt on the hogs. Tremendous!!!
Unfortunately, work called and interrupted the conversation. These aren't the greatest of pics, but somewhat useful. I made a little mark on the second pic. I am not as good of a shot as some people, so I like a little more room for error and usually aim up the crease just under halfway up the hog to allow some room for error. I have shot a bunch near wear they mark in the first pic too. Both good choices.
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Yes... same pics on hog shot placement thread. Again, straight up the leg... every day of the week.!!!
I surely enjoyed my late night hours with Patrick... great stuff.
They usually make a lovely mess with my normal shot placement.
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But also with the more traditional shot placement. A component of luck certainly can be involved.
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Yes, and she was par for the course on double lung blood trails.
My bad.... .. I hit the wrong button :knothead:
As long as Terry is teaching, I will throw in a few more tidbits.
Just some things that I have noticed about hogs after the shot. If you hit a hog in the guts or soft tissues, especially after dark, they usually scoot out of there and keep on going. If there is a sounder, they usually join with the rest. The odds of recovering a hog that behaves like that are slim. If they run initially, then stop and stand in cover, away from the rest of a sounder, or as a lone hog, they are usually hit hard, and will likely die within that cover, often quickly, if not pushed. I always feel good about a hit where they do this. Sneak out of the area and come back quietly in an hour to check things out if I can.
Yes Patrick... I got more on that... give mexa bit...
If it's with a sounder AND it runs off WITH them it will go and go..... if it separates, 60 yards or less . Most likely less, especially if not pushed.
Recovery is a whole different story and needs it's own thread...
Zwickey 4 blade busted AND split the rib on entrance AFTER passing through the shoulder....
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Did you pay attention to the TWO holes???
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This is most informative, thank you.
Well it was a good shot. And obviously the tracker was up to snuff on his ability. I'd say you did great Mr. Greene. Those are the ones that keep your skills sharp and your humility honest. :thumbsup:
Tracking was not a problem.... Stevie Wonder could follow....
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Dang. I like those kind.
Oh, I forgot to add..... not only did that head hit the thinnest part of the lungs, it did't ANY main arteries from them or the heart.... hence the 'hitch' in the recovery as written on the LTR2 thread.