I bought some Cabelas Wooltimate with wind shear a few years ago for my late season hunting .
Over the years I've noticed deer look up at me more with it than any other camo I own . Even the spike yesterday looked me over carefully even tho I didn't bat an eyelash.
Anybody else have this ?
Love the warmth but hate being scrutinized ...
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Anything you can treat it with? I've done the sno seal UV wash ... :dunno:
Hummmm . . . don't own this, but the camo pattern looks pretty good to me. Maybe a little light with not enough definition making it look like one solid, light color blotch to a deer.
If you tire of it, send it to Michigan and I'll gladly give it a try in the forest. Needs to be man-sized though . . . at least XXL! :goldtooth:
Light dusting with camo paint to adjust out the highlights. That is the problem IMO. But you will have to air it out for a long time, usually, then wash before a hunt to remove any remaining odor. However, it works and if it gets washed once a year lasts awhile.
The ones I looked at like that were noisy from the wind shear did they hear you move a little ?
I buy RIT dye, mix it up, then paint it on. Done that with stuff before camo even became a "thing". :thumbsup:
I agree with the assessment that there's not enough contrast. Are your bottoms of the same material? I often wear two different camo and/or solid patterns on the top and bottom.
RIT sounds better than my camo paint idea. Dull down the highlights.
I agree it needs some dark blotches, I tried black RIT dye, and it almost seemed worse. Wondered if it had UV brighteners in it. Washed in Woolite, then uv killer so back to original
Yesterday had a spike come in ,never moved except the tree swaying in the 25 mph winds. He stopped ,looked up at me for a few seconds and took a couple hops.
About ready to try flat black paint which I've done to a couple other items...
I would get an XL or XXL predator camo pullover LS T-shirt and put it on over the wooltimate. Cut some holes so you can get to the pockets -- problem solved.
I have the wooltimate vest and one armed jacket (used be 2 arms, but I didn't like the bulk on my bow arm, so I cut the left sleeve off and sewed it up to look nice). I've never noticed critters pegging more with it than other camo. Disclaimer: I don't wear it much down here because we usually don't get weather cold enough for it.
Bisch
Thanks guys, I did some dusting with flat black, will be warm enough for the unlined wool for awhile so it can lose the stink. Hanging in the barn now... :thumbsup:
What i do with my cold weather clothes is wear my ASAT leafy suit top (sometimes the pants too) over the cold weather stuff. Most of my cold weather gear is not camo and much of it is a solid color, which is usually quite a bit cheaper. The ASAT leafy suit is very light weight and the 2XL fits over my regular 2XL clothes. I do wear an elastic sleeve type arm guard when wearing the leafy top. I can't recall getting busted while wearing the leafy suit.
I have a suit and haven't had any problems :dunno:
Quote from: Basinboy on October 30, 2021, 01:49:02 PM
I have a suit and haven't had any problems :dunno:
I seem to be the only one, but this is recurring enough that I hate it... It's not movement, or being winded, just seems to be glowing or something. :dunno:
You might try shining a UV light on it and see what you get.
Hmmmmm. Are they always picking you up in the same stand? Could be they just have your stand pegged?
Hey, I'm just an old dummy.... :dunno:
Have most of the leaves out there dropped...?? Sounds to me like you're being "skylined"
Quote from: BAK on October 30, 2021, 02:48:08 PM
You might try shining a UV light on it and see what you get.
Was going to do that but can't find the blacklight I bought to try on blood trails.
No not same stand, and we add limbs to any stand that needs cover so don't think that is it either.
But when a spike , about the dumbest deer in the woods, picks me off when I didn't bat an eyelash, something is off...
i did a little airbrush work on mine last year, its still wadded up in a trash bag right now. i agree there isnt enough seperation in the colors. it sure does keep you warm though.
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arrow30 that's amazing
rusty
fabric dye?
Nice job Arrow!! Mine isn't that good a job!! :biglaugh:
I also suspect you have a UV issue.
I'd bet it's uv as well. Try to find some of that Asko UV wash. Not sure if they are still making that stuff.
That was my first guess so I washed it in the uv wash stuff
i think sometimes they just happen to look up at you, and think ..WHAT IS THAT! :biglaugh:
Too many seeing me makes me irritable ... :biglaugh:
I'll tell you why I doubt that the problem is the color of your clothes. When I was a young hunter, the only camo I owned was military woodland camo. I used it in dark as well as light backgrounds and in thick brush and bare backgrounds. As long as the wind was right and I didn't move around, deer consistently looked right through me. However, when I later got commercially made camo, I got spotted all the time. In short, I think color is one of the least important attributes of a suit of camo - just my opinion going back to 1964.
I had a Sitka jacket that I was wearing while hog hunting in Texas every time I lifted my bow to shoot they would bust happened about three time in one night, so I took it off and put my shirt on over it and the next bunch that came in I shot one no problem .
I have a friend that wears snow camo in the tree stand he says it blends better with the light sky behind him . I had a King of The Mountain blowdown pattern that is light gray it worked good in the aspens and poplar groves but I thought I was always getting spotted in other trees .Maybe you just need a cotton shell over it .
Hey kenny, sorry you're having this issue. I have not had an issue with mine. I also have top and bottom. Last year had a 140 buck and doe bed looking right at me about 40 yards out. They didn't peg me until 3 or 4 hours later when the sun came out and I couldn't hold it anymore.
We hunt on the ground and quite often don't wear camo, it seems that camo for deer may be over rated. Rule number one, never stare at a deer, especially their eyes.
I have a jacket, although I don't wear it often because it doesn't get cold enough very often. I've never had an issue with deer seeing it. I'm betting UV. UV killing sprays work , Haven't used them in years but when I did I noticed a huge difference in the way squirrels reacted to me, deer should be the same.
Like Tim above, I wore a Sitka jacket one night and 2 different spike buck picked me off in a tree from 70 yards away... I figured the first one was just a freak accident, after it happened an hour later, I never wore it hunting again, just totally lost any confidence in it...
Its time for either a new paint job on the coat, or time to go shopping....
I wore my other wool tonite, the ol reliable, and several deer looked up at me. Maybe they are just conditioned to scan the trees for blobs...
No panic , but I still didn't like it.
they are just coming by to see the infamous KENNYM :biglaugh:...they all heard you dont shoot. :thumbsup:
After the leaves drop you are a blob that wasn't there yesterday.
Mature animals know something is up.
I have had mine for about 20 years now with no issues. I have heard complaints about it since being taken over by BPS.
I'm not saying it's your problem but your beard looks white in your avatar. My buddy has a Santa white beard and always gets picked off without a facemask??? Ymmv
It is white! :biglaugh: But I keep it covered with a facemask...
Kenny, you can't just 'rit dye' it. The PH has to be right for wool to take dye. No one needs to argue as I have bought 6 million pounds of dyed wool in a years time.
However Kenny, you can use a permanent market to STAIN the garment. Staining is different than dying. I did this years ago on a "too light' wool garment and it worked like a charm. Dark Brown Permanent market.
Cool ! :clapper:Thanks!!
its mostly poly anyways/ 23 % wool
Quote from: arrow30 on November 01, 2021, 05:19:14 PM
its mostly poly anyways/ 23 % wool
I didn't look at the tag to see what it had in it. Maybe the poly reflects some light?
Poly has to have a carrier to take the dye also.... you can use permanent marker but it will most likely shed off.... I've been in the carpet buiz for over 35 years, this stuff is old hat to me.
could be, ive never had a problem with it. but its not a slick poly like all the new camo is.
Poly is poly.... plastic. Like using a permanant market on PLASTIC water bottles, it will wear off. Any 'new poly' is only 'new plastic'.... same BS - different marketing scam. Been that way for 50 years. Just man trying to screw man over a fiber they can't compete with what God made, and they never will. Its laughable at best!
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HA! Plastic, the CNN of fibers! :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
@kennym - I have that same exact pattern on my cold weather outfit. I got it from Bass Pro shops years ago but it did not have the wind shear in it. I felt like the wind sheer made it too noisy for me to draw my bow in. Mine is just straight up wool it was not the wooltimate. I am guessing yours is actually a little darker than what the picture shows maybe? Mine looks to be the same blend but slightly darker that is why I think the highlights are just showing up from the photo in your picture. I have the bibs and the long jacket top all wool same camo pattern. I got that about 10 years ago and that has been my goto outer wear for cold weather hunting ever since. About 8 years ago I shot a nice 10 point that walked and looked right at me and kept going. I have always I thought I blended in real well with the tree trunks and all that. I have done well hunting from the ground in that outfit too with deer walking by at 20 yards and me just sitting against the base of a tree on the ground. Are you getting busted from new trees or are these trees you usually hunt out of or other people hunt out of?
RIT Dye has a new product for synthetics.
Could also buy a camo vest to wear over it and still have the warmth of the coat and a added vest layer with out extra bulk in arms that way. I wear a solid color coat a lot but add a Kuiu camo vest on top and find it works very well.
I forgot. Years ago I bought fabric markers at a craft store that were made for cloths. I had a fleece light tan vest I tried to turn into a ASAT type pattern. Worked well and still hasn't washed out. Might wanna check your local craft store. Basically sharpies for cloths. They had green black and brown.
I haven't had any problem with deer pegging me in my stand with mine. I do like the wooltimate stuff, its some of the warmest clothes I've owned.
Quote from: Terry Green on November 01, 2021, 05:13:02 PM
Kenny, you can't just 'rit dye' it. The PH has to be right for wool to take dye. No one needs to argue as I have bought 6 million pounds of dyed wool in a years time.
However Kenny, you can use a permanent market to STAIN the garment. Staining is different than dying. I did this years ago on a "too light' wool garment and it worked like a charm. Dark Brown Permanent market.
OMG Terry ! Just pictured ole Kenny with a mitt-full of colored markers and a helmet :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :laughing:
There often threads on here about wearing flannel/wool and blue jeans. You might just have some smart deer around or your deer might be becoming easternized. Ours look up and pick you off easily no matter what camo. It just happened to me tonight, I got into a high stand to scout and glass the local herd. All I did was put my binocs down from my eyes and an unseen doe picked me off at 40 yards. I had Kuiu old pattern on and I think that usually works good.
In Wyoming you could probably dress like a rodeo clown and get away with it.
Tedd