I've noticed a lot of people will post a reply without reading the original post, they just comment on the picture like identifying the object in the picture.
So what do you think?
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That's a broadhead. Wait...huh?
lol.
I see that all the time.
You call that a broadhead? :deadhorse:
I reckon it would likely kill a deer, once. :archer:
Werewolf :dunno:
That's kinda what I was expecting.
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Make Believe head. :goldtooth:
NOPE . . . I shoot ADULT broadheads! How did I do? :bigsmyl:
You're correct and it's pretty obvious sometimes. Could be using a phone that doesn't have enough screen space to let you see the other comments has something to do with it?
Ah come on Pine.....
This is a Traditional Bowhunters Site:)
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Roy, edges finished with a copper pressure flaker and a copper percussion flaking implement can hardly be called traditional... :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:
Now what was we talking about? :knothead:
Oh yea; just seeing pictures, not subject...
Or was it broadhead penetration on other shafts?
I heard penetrate. On average a single bevel penetrates better than that delta, because it has rotational torque due to having a single bevel. Much like a single bevel knife cuts a lopsided slice of meat loaf. It forces it to twist and that force twist separates bone on impact from its twisting motion resulting in increased penetration.
A grizzly single bevel would be much better for penetration than that zwickey delta. :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:
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That's not a broadhead,.... THIS is a broadhead
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And your point is......?
Quote from: Ron LaClair on April 21, 2021, 03:50:22 AM
That's not a broadhead,.... THIS is a broadhead
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I used those exact broadheads last season Ron. As you can see from the picture there is no blood, I didn't measure penetration, it acted dead though! :deadhorse:
That is an outstanding buck Tony, congratulations :clapper:
But getting back to the original subject Pine started, single bevel would have probably penetrated better in this case. :laughing: :laughing:
This turned out even better than I expected.
It also includes a side track. :biglaugh:
And spine weight is not calculated proportioned to the color of the mass weight. :saywhat:
I may have gotten off subject, maybe I should go back and read the original picture! :biglaugh:
And spine weight is not calculated proportioned to the color of the mass weight.
Yes it is...
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I agree with Roy. I almost never agree with Roy, but believe he's right on this subject. :saywhat:
Denny, the check is in the mail:)
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When I shot that head at a deer (except it was the blue one, that might have made a difference, not sure) I tracked that deer thru the snow quite a ways. It was in Ohio back in 09 I think. Had to trespass on the neighbors land to get her. Well I didn't have to trespass but I did. Or maybe I called him and told him I needed to track a deer, I don't remember exactly. He hunted big deer there. He told me that at one time. I remember there were lots of rabbit tracks in his briars. I kind of wanted to go back to hunt rabbits. My bow was 66"
Like Terry Green said "How many of you have shot a Bison Bull with a gate on its head?"
Hey Doug, I know that property and there were lots of rabbits there. Dated the guys daughter each Fall so that he'd give me permission to bunny hunt there. He almost let me hunt deer there too, but said he had too many others trespassing on the property to allow me to deer hunt there. Now I know who to blame . . .
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So you're saying that penetration would have been better, and I would see more blood, with that broadhead?
Dang Carpdaddy, I don't know much, but I believe by your photos that the trees tremble when you walk into the woods!!! Or should I say when you 'hit' the woods?
Quote from: 1Arrow1Kill on April 21, 2021, 12:49:22 PM
Dang Carpdaddy, I don't know much, but I believe by your photos that the trees tremble when you walk into the woods!!! Or should I say when you 'hit' the woods?
So what are you trying to say, that A three blade would produce more blood?
I'm uncertain if a 3 blade would help you out much, but if Pine is correct that spine weight is not calculated proportioned to the color of the mass weight, you should consider using florescent orange as the only color of your mass weight as it may help you find your arrows stuck in timber. You are one heck of a consistent shooter!
Thanks, I will consider your advise, and color mass weight.
Would I do better on penetration if my ladder stand was set at a different angle?
WOW! I assume your an arrowsmith as it appears you must go through plenty of arrows and broadheads. If I were you, I'd think seriously about only deer hunting clearings and open fields, avoiding windy days or using a chainsaw to widen my shooting lanes. Or, maybe stick to shooting carp! I Kill Me!
Hey, where did you steal that folding church chair? Also, the first standing shot you attempt from that fabulous stand will probably be your last . . .
Went to KY Tradfest to practice for the upcoming season.
Carpdaddy, maybe I need to stop down and learn ya how to shoot:)
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Roy, Roy, Roy . . . I can tell by 1.) all the other holes randomly spaced all over that deer target and 2.) the differing angle of the arrows in the photo and 3.) the differing amounts of penetration . . . that this is an excellent example of a well-executed hand job! You should be ashamed!
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It was a test to see if folks actually look at the pictures.
That is the point of Pines demonstration here...
I think...
LOL
I'm obviously a 'detail kinda guy'. . . I notice everything . . . comes from working in the MI prison system for 25+ years. Didn't know there was a point to Pines post . . . guess I'm not real bright! I'll send back my MENSA card. Just Kidding . . . :laughing:
Right. To see if people stay on the intended topic. which is about my deer hunt.
Arrow
If I would have seen that tree stand while I was trespassing I would have used it. Looks like it would work for a 66" bow nicely. Climbers are the best though especially the kind without the bar. My wife is someone's neighbors daughter BTW. I got her without the use of a bar.
Quote from: 1Arrow1Kill on April 21, 2021, 03:34:35 PM
I'm obviously a 'detail kinda guy'. . . I notice everything . . . comes from working in the MI prison system for 25+ years. Didn't know there was a point to Pines post . . . guess I'm not real bright! I'll send back my MENSA card. Just Kidding . . . :laughing:
That's the smartest thing I thunk ya ever said:)
Doug, you deer hunt?
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Red broadheads spook game in my experience. That's why I have never used one. Or ever will.
I used to hunt deer until I discovered gated Bison. I don't even care that P&Y won't accept them. P&Y says that the half rack 7pt elk I shot had no rack! scored 0! A cow. This is the best thread ever BTW.
I think Terry shot a gated Bison too. From what I read here.
Thanks for all the tips on tree stand safety and broadhead tree carving.
As Roy said already, I started this thread to see how well you all pay attention to pictures, how did we get off on Elk hunting? :banghead:
Cause we went to deer hunten...
I shot this one wif a flint head...
Far as I know ole 1arrow1miss never gots himself ah deer...
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Those pictures are very interesting especially the car, but getting back to my original topic. I shot this deer coming through a gate I left open.
66" longbow
That's what I'm talken about Doug..
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Glad to see someone else uses their Elkamino for hunting. Probably killed that dandy with one of Roy's relic heads. Heard those points hit like a rock! Why I remember when I was just a tenderfoot . . . well, no, actually I can't remember that far back, but I still know how to sharpen a good broadhead so it can shave a cats meow maker without ever waking him up! Now back to the topic(s) . . .
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Quote from: Ron LaClair on April 21, 2021, 03:50:22 AM
That's not a broadhead,.... THIS is a broadhead
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I used those exact broadheads last season Ron. As you can see from the picture there is no blood, I didn't measure penetration, it acted dead though! :deadhorse:
I have no clue what this thread is about but that is a nice buck. Congratulations.
Quotebut I still know how to sharpen a good broadhead so it can shave a cats meow maker without ever waking him up!
Ah, he who dances with cats?:)
The buck on page one, and the doe here, both were taken with the same color broadhead. As was one of the trees. But no blood is visible on any. Would it have been better if I had used a Red broadhead like in the original post? :deadhorse:
The red broadheads do work well, but the dead deer I've spoken with seem to prefer black, non-perferated broadheads with mirror-like shiney, super sharp edges the best. But that's Michigan deer, it may well be different in other parts of the country.
Do Vegans use GREEN BROADHEADS? :dunno:
Remember these's, "Raptor's" I killed several deer with them, the serated edge sure did a good job. I shot a early season 8 pt. buck with one that was walking along the edge of a bean field, I made a bad hit, high and too far back. He ran out in the field and stopped at about 60 yards just standing there looking back. I thought about shooting again but thought better because of the long shot. Suddenly he dropped dead, I had nicked an artery and he bled to death in a very short time.
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Raptors are out of business now so I've serated some of my Ace Standerd heads. I call them the "LaClair Lacerator's" I killed a buck with one and gave the head to Bob of Ace Archery. He keeps it in his box, ask him at a show and he will show it to you.
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Well that answers my question Ron, I see the Red heads, but not a spot of blood in the deer picture! :laughing:
Great idea, Ron.
I've done that with some serrated kitchen knives that were worn down.
Used a Dremel tool to serrate them again then buffed on a buffing wheel, made them like new.
But what about this?...
Whad ya do Carp, cut yerself?
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Tedd at Raptor is NOT out of business!!!!
Since this thread is about hauling deer. Seeing that Elkamino hauling that little spike Bull, makes me wonder what other vehicles you have hauled your deer out with? I once put one on top of my old conversion van and drove through Chicago. Didn't think anything of it till 2 young ladies pulled up beside me and made faces. Might have been the tongue. not sure.
That is one heck of a large decoy. I generally don't use decoys, unless they are alive and moving close to my hide. Why do some hunters place their decoys so close to the pine tree they're hunting in? I would prefer oak trees when decoying, but never have used a stuffed decoy. Hows 'bout y'all?
So if I am understanding this thread correctly, a red broadhead will give me extreme FOC but only if I am using an ILF ASL and the broadhead is right wing single bevel. Thanks guys! :biglaugh:
I'm gonna havta chew on this one fur a while! :dunno:
Quote from: Doug S on April 22, 2021, 09:06:03 PM
Since this thread is about hauling deer. Seeing that Elkamino hauling that little spike Bull, makes me wonder what other vehicles you have hauled your deer out with? I once put one on top of my old conversion van and drove through Chicago. Didn't think anything of it till 2 young ladies pulled up beside me and made faces. Might have been the tongue. not sure.
When they stick their tongue out it means they want to kiss you. So you were good...
Quote from: Roy from Pa on April 22, 2021, 05:55:55 PM
Whad ya do Carp, cut yerself?
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Yep, a few times, but the red in my picture was berries on Ginseng. Remember to pay attention to pictures. Was that what the original post was about? :knothead:
As the Michigan Ginseng Association President, I can tell you that . . . Ginseng is good for you, but you don't have to cook it. You can also eat the root raw. Many people use only the ginseng root for tea, with is purported to relieve stress, maintain stamina, increase focus and boost immunity. ... It's also safe to eat raw the red berries, which are said to be mildly tart but rather flavorless.
Okay, Okay . . . I found this information on a Google Search and have never been the president of anything, but I sounded like a 'know-it-all' for a second there, didn't I? (No comment from Roy Boy from Pa needed) :saywhat:
QuoteYou can also eat the root raw.
I'll not say anything to a guy who eats raw root:)
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C'mon Roy. Paying attention and not being a know-it-all is the dual theme of Pine's original post. My statement was clearly, "YOU can also eat the root raw", not "I can also eat the root raw". Does I need to keep schooling ya alls the time? :laughing:
I finished 10th out of 11 kids when I graduated kinder garden college.
So I am not the dumbest rock in the box:)
WOW Roy . . .Ya Gradiated? Kinder Garden College? Congraduations! Kinder Garden was the toughest 3 years of my life . . .
But, 10th out of 11 . . . like my friend Ricky Bobby always says, "If ya ain't first, yer last!"
Well my quivers bout full! :archer2:
That picture don't count, we wanna see what colors the broadheads are.....
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If my quiver were pink would you have approved? :banghead:
Not that I go around checking such things out, but you, Carpdaddy have a really small quiver. :scared:
Quote from: 1Arrow1Kill on April 23, 2021, 09:10:11 AM
Not that I go around checking such things out, but you, Carpdaddy have a really small quiver. :scared:
:dunno:But I made it bigger! Now it holds five arrows.
Nice sight picture . . . you must be a cat lover.
:biglaugh:Yep; Pine is correct in original post, nobody pays attention to pictures :laughing: :laughing:
He's cute and I want to take him home (the horse).
Now I regret using this icon: :deadhorse:
That ain't NO horse. And not sure what aminal that other pic has in it or why your aiming your bow at it. A fuzzy weasel? :archer2:
Now can we get back to using tree stands for Elk?
Did you say Elk droppings in tree stand?
All I know is Howard Hill, Fred Bear, Saxton Pope and Will Compton never used Red Broadheads. :knothead:
Red broadheads are about as non traditional as processing goose feathers in flip flops! :campfire:
If I had toes like that I'd wear combat boots:)
Asses and gooses and elk . . . OH MY! Thinking nobody but Carpdaddy shaves the hair on his toes to see if his red broadheads are sharp! It's all become so clear to me now . . . :banghead:
:laughing:Are you all most jealous of my purdy legs, my knife, my Sponge Bob table, or my shooting ability? :notworthy:
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Wow Roy, I never knew you were from Texas. I have never taken a Texas Heart Shot as I'm not from Texas, never hunted in Texas and have always had a stinky suspicion that a critters heart ain't nowhere near that spot! Might get lucky, I guess, if you used a red broadhead like Pine recommends.
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A Red broadhead, and correct weight color mass, would have split and passed on through this one. And no that's not my purdyful legs! :banghead:
A picture is worth 1,000 words.
The young Roy and his longbow photo really tells a story. I did not know that Roy started at such a young age . . . drinking, that is. Impressive how some archers can perform with half a snoot-full of liquor. I guess starting at such a young age and practicing day-after-day for so many years can lead anyone to believe he is Robin Hood.
That picture is worth 65 words. :biglaugh:
:dunno:And he was using a gwass bow back then! :dunno:
Anytime ya guys wanna get whooped just say the word.
$1.00 an arrow:)
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ROY, I wouldnt even give you a NICKEL for a CARBON arrow. Let alone a dollar. :banghead:
A single spot target . . . REALLY??? I have to shoot multi-spot targets or I'd be wrecking way too many arrows! My finely crafted and perfectly tuned cedar arrows with spine weight calculated proportioned to the color of their mass weight and tipped with double-bevel red broadheads are too valuable for a single spot target. Also, you should be glad that I'm too nice a guy to steal money from the elderly . . .
Hang on, I'm gonna put my hip boots on now...
Ya Denny I heard you shoot at multi-spot targets.
Heard ya aim for the middle an hope ya hit one of em:)
ROY, I wouldnt even give you a NICKEL for a CARBON arrow. Let alone a dollar.
How bout these bamboo arrows?
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Roy's shots are blemished, says so right on his arrows! :wavey:
Bamboo with Goose Feathers, and Red broadheads soon! :dunno:
Roy. Those are really nice arrows. Great job!!
Thanks Dnovo, I love making bamboo and wooden arrows.
Tony those are nice, have you noticed goose feathers to be louder than turkey feathers?
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This post has really been a hoot. Haven't experienced this much fun since 1.5 hours after taking MiraLAX before my last colonoscopy procedure. About the same amount of crap too! Y'alls wisdom is remarkable! Good Time . . . :campfire:
Roy: I use feathers from a dead Goose, that way they don't honk and scare critters, so mine are not noticeably louder. But there are those times when they are close but I don't have a Red broadhead in my quiver! :banghead:
Say what?
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Ya I flew in a red airplane one time but there real hard to shoot arrows out of.
SO THERE
Getting ahead of Roy is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end! :notworthy: :banghead: :laughing:
LOL
Now that you bring it up
Ive seen some geese that looked like that had too much mirilax.
You should try some of their feathers with your red broadheads.
I think ole 1arrow1miss spilled Mirlax on his keyboard:)
Could you guys please keep it down? We're trying to drink over here! 🤪
C'mon McDave, You are the first guy I know who wants to combine drinking and being quiet.
1. The more you drink the quieter you get.
2. Drinking alone is so much quieter.
3. No humor allowed when drinking.
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You need to reread the rules of drinking. Ain't nothing in there about being quiet. I know, I've been drinking a long time. I ain't hardly ever been quiet with a glass or can in my hand. Fact is, I just returned home from 'Choir Practice' which is what 4 buddies and I called it when we meet most every Saturday afternoon to sooth our vocal cords with Bud Lite and laughing at a local watering hole. If'n you ever get a hankerin' to visit SW Michigan, yer WELCOME to stop by and join the choir. Carrying a tune is not a requirement.
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This thread is about as corn-fusing as hunting from a bicycle treestand! :bigsmyl:
I've never noticed that but apparently your are correct. I've also noticed tat people don't read the entire thread before commenting especially if the thread is a long one. Jawge
This thread is about as corn-fusing as hunting from a bicycle treestand!
I thought ya went up there to get yer arrow?
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LOL!!! Good one Roy . . . great minds think alike. So do sick minds . . . like ours! :biglaugh:
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The deer help me find my arrows. Look closely at the arrow sticking in the tree above the deer, it lead me right to to it. This was after the miss on another one, it saw the shot, felt no danger, and walked right under it! :laughing:
If only I would have Red broadheads!
Well... I don't believe anything I read, and only half of what I see, and that's all I got to say about that.
Carpdaddy
In a hundred years I can just visualize loggers timbering the area you hunted and finding all these arrow points and broadheads in the trees, thinking about the cave man who hunted here.
If they only knew it was a tree hugger:)
LOL
The trees are already starting to haunt me! :o
WHAT?
A tree picture without an arrow sticking in it?
LOL
That pix creeps me out! Who is it? Woody the Warlock?
I was given permission to hunt this property. This was my first time there, went to scout for some good trees to shoot. Sure glad I wasn't coming out after dark and hit this with my flashlight! It wasn't the only thing like this in that mountain! :o
LOL, that could have made a mess:)
Bear greenies for me! :bigsmyl:
Green broadheads don't produce good blood trails! :laughing:
If you want some real wood penetration try some Red ones! :deadhorse:
Tony, what's ya use to clean all the tree sap off your points?
Asking for a friend:)
Roy; :thumbsup: Donkey slobber! :biglaugh:
How'd the saying go? "Rather be dead than red on the head?" I think that originated around the FIRST knappers fire in 5,653 BC.
And when they discovered the Iceman they found no red broadheads. That was confirmation. It has been believed the red broadhead people died out before the Iceman. But I think Pine is one of the last of the last descendants. That's the purpose for the original post.
Red broadheads are essential! There have been times that I wish I had one!
Why, so ya could stick it in that log laying there?:)
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Yep, them trees ain't gonna shoot themselves Roy! Haven't you heard of stump shooting, well I don't wait for them to become stumps! :laughing: :laughing:
Shot this one back when I wiz a youngen! Used a Red single bevel head, see how it split. :campfire: Now something peeping out at me!
Well anyway I enjoyed all your tree pictures..
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Thanks; but I can't take all the credit myself. Actually most all the pictures are were from a friend, the guy pictured in one of them, been kind of a ongoing joke through the years. :laughing: :archer2:
But here is the real issue!...
Now I see It's not really a red broadhead just a red Ferrell. Those are fine.
Quote from: Doug S on April 27, 2021, 02:44:44 PM
Now I see It's not really a red broadhead just a red Ferrell. Those are fine.
And all this time we been calling it a Red broadhead! Guess we don't pay attention!