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Title: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 05, 2021, 02:22:25 PM
Glamping is a four-letter word. :nono: :nono:

I started out hunting with shelter halves and a sterno stove.
Not nice.

After thirty-plus years, I am now pretty well-off, in stuff you can no longer get. Thanks, Cabelas.

Now, durnit, I have woodstove envy. It is all ApplePie's fault. Kinda.

I also have guests for one of my three weeks in the woods. And I have degenerative disc disease, which means that my back becomes cantankerous, north and south, now and again.

I would love to have a central cookshack, with a wood stove, where we could dry our gear and share a meal, and sit with the door open and watch the world go by.

A traditional tipi would be unfeasible due to transporting poles and lifting the canvas.

With six in camp, I am thinking of a ferociously expensive poly/cotton tipi of 20' diameter and 12 feet high, which would support a wood stove. This would be the communal cookshack. It weighs about 43 pounds, which is about what the current cookshack weighs.

Anybody here been in a Tentipi?
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on February 05, 2021, 06:02:12 PM
My wife Nancy (RedBird) and I use to camp/hunt out of a 14' tipi. We had a sheet metal stove for heat and to cook on. I don't think you can buy those stoves anymore. Two length's of stove pipe was all you needed just high enough to get the smoke above the liner.

One time we were camping on state land to deer hunt. While Nancy was getting her stuff put away I grabbed my bow and took a stroll to check things out. At the time I was hunting with my HH Big 5, 68" 85#@ 28" I was watching the trees hoping to see a squirrel when I spotted a porcupine. I didn't want to waste a broadhead so I pulled a flu-flu with a steel blunt out of my back quiver. I sent the arrow up into his underside and it penetrated to the fletching. I brought the porkie back to camp, skinned him and hung the hide on a limb stub in a tree near the tipi. I dressed him out trimmed off all the fat and told Nancy to put him in the pot to boil and we will have him for supper.

This story is getting long but I want to tell all of it.

I decided to take a walk over to a big clearing near camp so I grabbed my pipe, loaded it with tobacco and headed that way. I found a big log, sit down on it and lite my pipe. I wasn't there long when I saw a man come out of the woods and walk into the clearing from the other side. He walked to a pole in the middle of the clearing that had a bird house of some kind. He wrote on a clip board and walked on in my direction. As he got parallel to me I sad "HI", he jumped about a foot then said, "you scared the s@#$ out of me. I told him I was sorry. Then he said he worked for the DNR and was checking the bird house, then said what are you doing here. I said my wife and I are bow hunting and we're camped in our tipi over the hill. He said tipi? I gotta see this

He walked with me to camp and I called Nancy out of the tipi and told her we had company. The guy spotted the porcupine skin hanging on  the tree, he said, "I see you shot a porcupine" I said "ya I shot him with my longbow and my wife is cooking him for our supper" He said "REALLY!, I can't wait to get back to the office. When I tell them I met some people out here camped in a tipi, hunting with longbows, shooting porcupines with arrows and eating them.......they're not going to believe me"
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Post by: BAK on February 05, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
 :biglaugh:  That's funny, good memories Ron. 
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Post by: woodchucker on February 05, 2021, 08:22:53 PM
Killy!!! My darling sister, where the HELL have you been!!!???? I sure have missed you!!!

I just threw the darn catalog out, but Sportsman's Guide had flat-top Sheepherder type stoves pretty cheap?

Back when I was in HighSchool I had a teacher who lived in a Tipi on a friends farm, for 3 years. (divorce makes a man do crazy things?) He had a cement block fire ring in the center, over which he cooked his meals.
We were bunny hunting one day, and there was smoke coming from the flap, so we stopped in for a visit... (Hey, it was cold, and we had been stomping through 2 foot of snow, just seemed like a good idea) Well, it felt like it was about 90 in that Tipi LOL!!! We hung out, dried our wool clothes, said thanks and were on our way...

Looking back, I could do a Tipi :campfire:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 05, 2021, 08:48:04 PM
As I said, this would be a tipi substitute, and I was thinking about a Four Dog "Little Dog" stove. That would be about as much weight as I could handle in a stove.

Titanium is too darn expensive, and doesn't hold the heat as well.
Great story, Ron, how was the spikey little rascal?  :campfire:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Hawkeye on February 05, 2021, 09:25:48 PM
Killy,

I don't have any info on stoves or tents, but I wanted to say it made me smile to see your name pop up!

Hope you are enjoying life these days.

Daryl
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Post by: Friend on February 05, 2021, 09:54:35 PM
Miss you Killdeer...
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on February 05, 2021, 11:20:14 PM
Welcome back killie. I miss your witty humor and stories
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Post by: Lori on February 06, 2021, 01:11:46 AM
We use a 10x14 Egyptian canvas wall tent with an aluminum center truss and a 9x9 Egyptian canvas Baker tent with the full 6x9 front enclosure, we heat either one with a four dog.  The chimney exits through the vertical front wall on both, not through the roof.  We have a slightly elevated charcoal grid inside of the stove, so we can burn charcoal.  Without the grid, the charcoal will smother itself with its own ashes. We use one of the two wheel telescope carts and the deer cart to move things to the setup. The telescopes are much heavier than the tent. We both have bad backs as well, So we are stuck to public campsites, not way out in the hinter lands like when we go on wilderness canoe trips, all of the canoe stuff is ultra light.  Although the Baker tent has gone on a bunch them, when we had strong backs in the group to haul the extra gear.  The Baker fits in a number 3 Duluth pack, tent plus rubber floor and poles weighs 45 pounds when dry, more when it is wet.  Note: Egyptian canvas is much lighter than waxed canvas and never leaks.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on February 06, 2021, 01:44:23 AM
QuoteGreat story, Ron, how was the spikey little rascal?

Killy, I couldn't tell you how many porkies and coons I've eaten. I think it started with my uncle who was a coon hunter, trapper, fisherman anything to put meat on the table to feed his six kids. Time's were tough after the war in northern Michigan. My aunt would roast the coons and porkies in the oven and they were a delicious dark meat. 

Later I live a couple years with my Grandma and Uncle who was a WWII Vet. Grandma lived on my uncle's Service pension which I think was about $100.00 a month. I was 15 and had a .22 and a shotgun. I spent a lot of time in the woods, even skipped school to go hunting. (that's another story) Any critter that looked like food ended up in Grandma's kitchen and she was happy to get it. She used to cook in the lumber camps  when my mom was little so she could cook anything that didn't have a hide on it.

 
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Post by: mj seratt on February 06, 2021, 01:55:58 AM
So good to see you back here.  Really miss your humor and your way of expressing yourself.  Hope to see more.

Murray
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Post by: Kokopelli on February 06, 2021, 07:18:01 AM
I've always found it somewhat amusing how people look at food.
If you eat lobster, you're a food connoisseur and likely a judge of fine wine.
If you eat crawdads, you're a redneck and likely drink from a bottle of Thunderbird in a paper bag.
We won't even talk about bobcats or rattlesnakes.     :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: GCook on February 06, 2021, 07:54:20 AM
I've spent more than a few nights camped in a spruce bow lean to eating stream caught fish or maybe a snowshoe hare or grouse cooked over open fires. 
Growing up without much and my mother was always glad to see game for the pot.   With a  huge garden we always had plenty of taters and home canned veggies but meat was minimal and mom had seven mouths to feed. 
I won't say everything she cooked was gourmet but we were never hungry and the .22 put a lot of small game on her stove.
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Post by: George Tsoukalas on February 06, 2021, 08:28:44 AM
Welcome back, Killy. Jawge
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Post by: Kelly on February 06, 2021, 11:08:55 AM
Nice to hear from you again. Killy pm sent.
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Post by: pdk25 on February 06, 2021, 11:17:45 AM
Quote from: Friend on February 05, 2021, 09:54:35 PM
Miss you Killdeer...

x 2
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: hunting badger on February 06, 2021, 11:57:09 AM
Killdeer, I have two set ups similar to what you are looking at, one is a Spike Tent from Reliable Tent and Tipi out of Billings Montana, the other is a tent tipi from Sportsman Guide. They both work very well, I use the canvas one if weight is not a consideration and the lighter weight nylon version when I'm rafting or where weight and space are a consideration. I have a stove I bought at a Rendezvous that made out of well casing, the legs and stove pipe fit into the stove for transportation. I have used the spike tent for multiple days at 30 below here in Alaska Moose hunting and I have used the tent tipi caribou hunting on the North Slope but in warmer weather. I think If you want a stove the canvas is the way to go. They are both very easy and quick to set up and would not be a strain on your back. I have quite a bit of experience with both tents here in Alaska and in Montana, if you would like more information please PM me.
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Post by: rastaman on February 06, 2021, 01:22:56 PM
Can't help you with the tenttipi, but i have greatly missed your  posts!
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Post by: Guss on February 06, 2021, 08:02:48 PM
Yep... I've missed Killdeer's wise voice and always enjoyed her back in forths over their Centaurs with Larry...
Jr.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 06, 2021, 10:35:59 PM
Lori, last October a buddy showed up in camp with a Baker. I had been looking at them and Whelens for a long time.

How is the Baker in the snow? Constant removal of snowload? Would love to see pics. Love its versatility and the nostalgia of the great campfires of the late 1800s.

The tentipi is a specific brand, phenomenally spendy, but seems to offer me lots of room in a canvas tent that won't spaz out my back. And I can have the dry heat of a stove! It does have more than a whiff of glampiness, though. If I could find somebody with lots of experience with them, I would want to pick that brain thoroughly. My hope would be that they would tell me that the tent is eminently practical, and I shouldn't hate it for being "stylish." :biglaugh:

Currently I use a 12x12 Cabelas XWT (bombproof) and the gazebo is the cook shack. These are discontinued, and nothing lasts forever. Propane heaters.

The tentipi would become the cookshack and central gathering place for the hunters in camp.
As they are only there for a week, I would likely live in it for the two weeks that they are absent.

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on February 07, 2021, 10:45:17 AM
Killy,  That's a homey lookin camp. I like the look of the dark timber. Can you hang your deer in that tree on the left? :archer: :archer2: :thumbsup:
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Post by: Killdeer on February 07, 2021, 05:17:40 PM
That's been done a couple-few times, Ron.
The last one I hung offa there was a spike named Punkin, who walked up from behind me and then went to my right, forcing a lefthanded shot with the 54.
That was many years ago.

Last one hung there was ApplePie's 8 pointer. Can I show this pic here?

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Post by: reddogge on February 07, 2021, 05:34:59 PM
Killy, I had a Baker for many, many years and it was fine for mild weather. I never used it in winter. I sold it and it was gone for quite a few years and bought it back again. Something happened in that time and even after waterproofing it again it leaked like a sieve at Baltimore one year and I got soaked. I gave it away. I had cut poles and the whole thing got to be a PITA. I don't recommend them.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 07, 2021, 05:52:20 PM
Bummer.
They sure look nice, though.
Last fall we had mild temps and torrential rains (notice Bart's sandals and our fire built in a downpour),but I don't think ApplePie's BSA Baker leaked.

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on February 07, 2021, 11:25:26 PM
Killy,  that's a fine lookin buck and that traditional ML doesn't offend me I hunt with flintlocks myself.

I had a Baker for awhile and it was a great little camp, easy to set up. Keep the front flap up in the day and drop it at night. I had a small wood stove that kept us warm at night and Nancy could cook on it. I've got an old VHS tape of her coking bacon and eggs one morning on one of our fall hunts.
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Post by: frank bullitt on February 08, 2021, 06:29:03 AM
Good morning Killdeer.
There's a young couple from Alaska, far north bushcraft and survival on the tube, that do alot of winter camping. They have hot tent and stove from Russian bear market. Check em out!
Have a good day!
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Lori on February 08, 2021, 09:51:25 AM
Killy, I looked for the pictures of the Eena wall tent and the EEna baker style set up. They must have been on the PC laptop that crashed. Eana no longer makes the Egyptian canvas. We had another baker style from them that was made out of boat awning nylon.  The thing leaked like it was never water proofed, Egyptian canvas needs no treatments, we tried sealing it, that lasted one canoe trip and then the next time it was leaking some again. When we got home my husband ripped in half and stuffed it the garbage. Duluth Pack makes a smaller model with the waxed canvas that is quite expensive and not as tall, but much heavier. I did a check, i cannot find anyone making the Egyptian canvas tents anymore. The one thing we are sure of is that our Baker canvas tent and the wall tent could withstand hail and tornadoes. It seems we got one or the other every time we went out with them during the summer.  The flat portion of the roof needs to be tilted down if there is heavy snow on the Baker. We lowered just one corner to achieve that. With the full screen front, it was a nice place to hang out on a cold rainy day on canoe trips. On one trip in Canada, one day it was over a hundred degrees. We spent the day in the water. The next day was cold and windy. We blew into a campsite on Shade Lake.  The next morning the tent was squeaking, touched the roof and a sheet of ice slid off the tent. A Baker tent heats up real nice with a small camp fire in front of it, as long as that is down wind.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 08, 2021, 10:43:04 AM
Thank you Lori and Steve.
Duluth doesn't carry tents anymore, it seems.
I looked at the bear, not big enough for our cookshack. Looking at snowtrekkers, maybe Montana canvas. Atuk.

I don.t want to end up with a heavy frame and heavy canvas, though.
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Post by: Killdeer on February 08, 2021, 10:49:05 AM
Love the camping trip story! And yes, I do that cockeyed front awning on all my tents! Looks sloppy, but it works!

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Post by: Roughcountry on February 09, 2021, 10:33:12 PM
hi killy,good to see your words on this screen.
Hard to beat a good wall tent for a shelter in bad weather. For long stays or more people I use two tents with the doors facing each other with a four foot gap. I have a six foot canvas that covers the gap over the top and part of one side.I stack stove wood  on the side that's half covered. The big tent is the cook tent, the other for snoring. Two stoves if the weather gets real cold and the ground turns white.
A simple plastic tarp helps the snow slid off and helps any rain run off.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 10, 2021, 06:49:42 PM
Robin, I haven't heard the sweet sound of your keyboard for way too long.

I would love a wall tent, but my back is so touchy that even my dear departed QH's jog would make me worry. And I used to win that bareback dollar class!

So, lightweight canvas is what I am looking for, plus my space is very limited for drying out if I have to take it home wet. You still in the same ol' place?
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Post by: Roughcountry on February 10, 2021, 11:49:24 PM
Sorry to hear about your back.  Do you have any hot springs close to your huntin grounds? It feels pretty good on a sore back.

I made a half tent out of 10 oz sunforger canvas. It turned out pretty light.  Just enough room for myself and my cow dog and the flap hooks onto  my horse trailer.

Still in the same place but summer times are spent in the Blue Mountains. I do my best to keep the new grey wolves from tasting beef.
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Post by: mj seratt on February 11, 2021, 01:44:56 AM
Killy, I have two herniated discs in my thoracic spine, and they can ruin my day.  My daughter had me try magnesium oil.  Just spray it on and rub it in.  It usually gives me relief almost instantly.  I never would have believed it.  I'm not trying to play doctor, just hoping to help somebody else.
Again, I'm so glad to see you back here.

Murray
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Post by: Ron LaClair on February 11, 2021, 11:06:40 AM
Killy, take a look at this

The Red Tent Company
https://theredtentcompany.com/baker-tents
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Post by: ssoden on February 11, 2021, 11:52:33 AM
I've had a Davis tent for nearly 30 years, so many memories.



Take a look at their offerings, I see a few that could work for you.

Enjoy
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Post by: Judd on February 11, 2021, 01:05:26 PM
Killdeer-
I have owned a tentipi for 5 yrs. the Safir 15.
Previously we used a 12 x 15 wall canvas wall tent successfully.
The tentipi is so much easier to set up and take down, literally minutes (Ok 1/2 an hour) compared to over an hour with the wall tent.
The weight is about half of the old wall tent.
We do not have a wood stove but use a Mr. Heater propane heater, and it does a very good job.
The tipi is our "deer camp" in Pennsylvania, so we see rain and snow, we stay very dry and warm.
It is expensive, but I bought as my last tent purchase (I'm 64).
You can go with or without a floor, we always use the floor to increase the warmth factor.
We sleep 3-4 very comfortably, our cooking is all dehydrated food or sandwiches.
We have the drying ring suspended about 2/3 of the way up the walls it works well.
Use low cots if you can to conserve floor space, as the higher the cot the further away from the walls you will be.
I'll answer any questions you may have that i did not cover here.

Judd

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Post by: Killdeer on February 12, 2021, 11:27:07 PM
Judd, that is exactly what I was looking at!

But, it is SO glampy! I blush, I kick at the price, but I am 64 and don't know how many years I have left. If I had a house with a yard and a fire pit maybe I would not be so doggish about the bone, but I have a need for the quiet comfort of a wood stove.

The 15 would be the camp cookshack. It would have a stove. It would be floorless, or have carpet over a partial floor, but only to protect equipment or a cot.

Since hurricane Sandy, our winters have been fairly mild, though we get winds of 50 mph here and there. Sometimes 6" snow, sometimes lots of rain.

Wondering what is the max diameter of the stovepipe exit up top.
Are there double zipper pulls on the bottom three intake vents?
What (if anything) bugs you about your tent?
Do you use all the guyouts?
How is the door opening during a rainstorm? Do you have an awning?

Is there a way to make this thing feel like a Quarter Horse/cross instead of an Arabian? Prolly not. What I wish I could find is a wall tent that weighs nothing but feels like it does!

Closest I could find to that is a snowtrekker, the biggest I could get, but can't get a good idea of how much walking around room it would have for five people cooking and doing dishes.
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Post by: GCook on February 13, 2021, 10:34:48 PM
I'm not sure I consider any tent out hunting "glampy". 
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Post by: adkmountainken on February 14, 2021, 03:22:39 PM
Killydear,
         i see you pretty much know exactly what you want but here is a link to the tents i drool over.
https://www.snowtrekkertents.com/
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 14, 2021, 06:43:01 PM
Kenny! Good to see you. But really, did you read my last paragraph? :knothead:

Trouble is, it is hard to get a feel for a tent through the pictures. I have a devil of a time getting good shots of mine, but add in the everybody using different lenses, well, a wide angle makes a one-man hooch look like a cathedral.

Nothing like hearing people tell of their personal experiences.
Have the Outfitter on another tab, comes 10x15. Looks a lot like my Eureka Timberline to set up, pretty simple. Don't like the lack of an eave over the door, tho. Need the stove jack on the other side, too. Still dunno what it feels like inside. :dunno:
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Post by: Missouri Sherpa on February 15, 2021, 03:34:21 PM
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This is a Tipi tent system I put together for an expedition last fall.  The tipi tent is from Walmart of all places.  They do not keep it in stock on the floor but you can order it online.  The tent is just over 18 ft diameter and about 11 ft tall for the center pole.  This is a very spacious shelter compared to what you usually think of in a tent, has some elbow room and plenty of headroom.   I  disposed of the flimsy 3/4 inch center pole that came with the tipi and fabricated a more robust center pole using army issue tent poles of 2 inch diameter.  I cut them down to 30 inch lengths so they would fit into an army duffle bag.  I made some hangers out of 3/8 inch steel rod.  They slide into holes drilled into the center pole so you can have a place to hang and dry clothes and an LED lantern.  I purchased some silicone nylon ripstop fabric to make a rainproof fly and hired a seamstress to make the fly to my specifications.  triple stitched and rolled seams and hem.    I ended up spending more on the seamstress than I did on the tipi itself.  Silicone Nylon is very effective as fly material, seems to repel water.  Very light weight and folds up to a small package.

We packed in to our usual campsite in Happy Valley at 10,000 ft elevation and had over a foot of snow on this TIPI the first night.  Everything stayed dry inside and it sheds snow like a steel A-frame roof.  I bought a couple of asbestos stove jacks for the wood burning stove but never got around to stitching them into the walls.  One stovejack for the Tipi and one for the Sil-nylon fly.  I bought some 16 inch nails with plastic hooks to anchor the tent instead of the weak, short stakes that came with the Tipi.  They hold this structure down very well, no bent stakes and they pulled out with just a little effort.  The Tipi, Silnylon Fly, center pole, Hangers, stakes, paracord anchor ropes and stove jacks all fit in a regulation green army surplus duffle bag.  Whole affair weighs about 30 pounds.

I did not get to use this for the whole week, but that is another story.  I will be using this again, replaces my old relite canvas Alaknak tent and Fly, and my 10'x12' sheepherders tent.  I have been using the Alaknak and/or Sheepherders tent for the past 20 years.  They have served me well and I have been reluctant to give up on them.   This tipi has over twice the space, takes up half the room when packing in on a mule and weighs half of what the tents do. 
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Post by: Killdeer on February 15, 2021, 08:27:12 PM
That is just the kind of info I am looking for! Thank you!
I love how you made it work for you.
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Post by: ozy clint on February 15, 2021, 10:29:37 PM
I have a 12 man kifaru tipi and stove. It's a palace. Tipi fits in a pillow case and stove flat packs and fits into a pillow case but is half as thick as a pillow. Whole setup weighs 20 pounds.

Oh yeah, I should mention it's a palace!
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Post by: Ron LaClair on February 15, 2021, 11:49:28 PM
ozy, we need pictures
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Post by: Killdeer on February 17, 2021, 09:36:10 PM
What kind of weather, and for how long have you stayed in your Kifaru?
How is the condensation?

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Post by: ApplePie on February 21, 2021, 12:35:02 PM
Felt my ears burning... and am very interested in responses to this post as one of Killy's camp mates. I'm the one who brought the Baker Tent to camp this past fall  :)

The Alaskan Guide Gazebo has been a great cook shack. For me, a cook shack is part of base camp, standalone, four season, floorless, large enough to stand up in (7' minimum), and large enough room for cooking and lounging for several folks when the weather turns. Additional pros would be stove jack and ability to fly out a front awning.

When not in camp with the Gazebo, I run a Yanes Kuche Kitchen (see pic) with my 10x12 Montana Canvas wall tent with wood stove. The Yanes is similar to a Eureka Northern Breeze. It's not built as strong as the Alaskan Guide series, so I'd hesitate to call it a four season tent. In short, I'm still looking for the perfect cook shack.

I've heard stories about the "Hurricane Hut" from Barney's in Anchorage, but I don't think that's being produced anymore. If anyone has info about this tent, I'm curious to learn more.

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 22, 2021, 10:47:21 AM
I changed my mind.
My prerogative as a female, and I am also in my late-blooming midlife crisis.
A whiff of sanity wafted by me, and I decided on a smaller tent for me, a thousand dollars cheaper and 30 pounds as opposed to 44 for the big one.

Looking at three stoves;

Anevay "Frontier Plus".
33 lbs. can open hob on top to access flame. Really like their flues and tipi system. Hard to get.

Colorado Cylinder Stoves "Spruce"
42 lbs. without pipes.
Solid, strong, no nonsense stove.

Four Dogs "Little Dog"
45 pounds. Airtight and baffled, sent an email to Four Dogs to see about availability. Hard to get.

All of these have approximately the same capacity, at least a 4" flue and are close in weight.

Those guys are gonna have to make do in the old gazebo with the Pregnant Lady.
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Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on February 22, 2021, 11:10:33 AM
Probably a wise decision for truck camping...and the stove definitely is  :)
I didn't poke my nose in earlier, but on the kifaru type tent deal....they are fantastic.....for what they are made for.  When flying in on a supercub when ounces matter and I need something to depend on in true wilderness I'm packing my sawtooth and I'll manage the cons (mainly condensation, and a bit cramped for 2 guys) for the pros (super lightweight, wilderness bombproof etc).  When I'm camping by the truck I'll take a tent less bombproof, throw a blue tarp over it to improve "water tightness" and enjoy the extra room.  If a hurricane comes I'll get in the truck and go home  :saywhat:  I use my cabelas alaknak for truck camping.

R
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 22, 2021, 11:20:14 AM
Home is an Alaknak? Way cool!
I think of my XWT like that. But no stove jack in that.
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Post by: Ryan Rothhaar on February 22, 2021, 12:07:08 PM
Fixed my poor grammar (well some of it at least). I should be careful of dangling my participles in public.   :biglaugh:
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Post by: Killdeer on February 22, 2021, 03:13:11 PM
Better than exacerbating. :biglaugh:
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Post by: Ron LaClair on February 23, 2021, 07:03:34 PM
My last tent (canvas) with a stove, slicker'n snot on a doorknob. Still have it.

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 24, 2021, 07:56:48 PM
Sweet! I like the stewbait ya got there.
:campfire:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on February 25, 2021, 10:21:31 AM
Tree Rats is my favorite finger food

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serve with mashed taters and squirrel gravy

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: ozy clint on February 25, 2021, 04:01:28 PM
Quote from: Ron LaClair on February 15, 2021, 11:49:28 PM
ozy, we need pictures

Ron, here's a link to a recent thread- https://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=174370.0

The tipi pics start on page 3.

here's my favorite- 

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: ozy clint on February 25, 2021, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: Killdeer on February 17, 2021, 09:36:10 PM
What kind of weather, and for how long have you stayed in your Kifaru?
How is the condensation?

we spent a week in it in the trip in the above link. rained while there. never had snow on it yet but i am in Australia so that's not so common. condensation is not an issue with the liner.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 01, 2021, 06:46:07 PM
Clint, that thread shut me up for a week. Very moving, very proper.
Not too often do you see a person graced with such friends.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: tecum-tha on March 01, 2021, 07:43:29 PM
Have an 8 man and a 16 man Kifaru Tipi with stoves for elk hunting in Colorado/other places.
They work great, but are spendy.
I would not hesitate to buy a Seek outside Tipi Tent and one of their Titanium stoves either.
There is a difference in fabrics between these two.
They are lighter than 43# with stove by far.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 01, 2021, 08:53:18 PM
Well, Four Dogs suddenly had some stoves in, so I bought the Little Dog with a tipi kit. I have pretty much settled on a Tentipi 9, just figuring out some details.

Just what I need. More stuff. :dunno:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: ozy clint on March 02, 2021, 03:09:02 AM
Quote from: Killdeer on March 01, 2021, 06:46:07 PM
Clint, that thread shut me up for a week. Very moving, very proper.
Not too often do you see a person graced with such friends.

I am humbled by your kind words. :pray:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on March 02, 2021, 12:01:34 PM
This is all you need to be comfortable

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 02, 2021, 02:33:48 PM
Need more wood!
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on March 02, 2021, 04:34:58 PM
Some years ago I was elk hunting in the mountains in Montana. I packed in all my gear in a backpack which included freeze dry food and a small one man tent. It got pretty cold and the first night and I didn't have any heat in the tent so my boots that I had taken off and laid beside my bed froze so stiff I couldn't get them on. The next night they went in the sleeping bag with me to keep from freezing.
Then one day in my wanderings I came across an old trappers or miners cabin. Part of the roof had colapsed but it had an old bed frame with springs and a stove made from a metal barrel. Needless to say I moved right in and spent the rest of my hunt a lot more comfortable.

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 02, 2021, 08:11:12 PM
Is that a transister sister to the right of the boots over the door?
What is the critter? Looks big for a squirrel.
Tasty?
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on March 02, 2021, 11:22:35 PM
The critter is one of two Pine Martins I trapped. I had a Snowshoe rabbit I had shot with my slingshot hanging in a tree behind the cabin. A Martin got it and dragged it away to his den. I tracked him in the snow and made a pole set with a couple of the #1 traps I had brought with me and trapped two of them using what was left of the rabbit. They brought $50.00 each at the fur auction back home.

The stuff over the door is some patch lube for my muzzleloader. I think the year was 1972, my beard haden't even started to get gray yet.

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 03, 2021, 04:57:11 AM
Hah! I'm 64 and my beard hasn't a single gray hair!
How does pine marten taste?
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on March 03, 2021, 11:21:10 AM
QuoteHow does pine marten taste?

Martn's ain't fer eatin, they're fer sellin ther fur. although there's a sayin, "meats meat when yer in the mountains"

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: snag on March 03, 2021, 12:49:40 PM
General rule for me is vegetarians taste better than carnivores. Nothing better
Than a fine shelter up in the wilderness.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 03, 2021, 06:30:29 PM
I was wondering how the Menehunes got into your camp, then I realized I was hallucinating on your boots! You roasting pine martens? I swear, if I killed a coyote I would have to try it. Lotta folks would turn up their nose at catamount, till the stories got out about how good it is!

Skunk would take a little doin'. :saywhat:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on March 03, 2021, 06:56:12 PM
QuoteSkunk would take a little doin'.

Once you get past the smell the meat is fine grain and tender, almost like eatin a cat. I hear tell mountain lion is larapin, I ain't never had it but I've had bobcat just a smaller version

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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 03, 2021, 07:11:10 PM
I swear, cats are on acid. :laughing:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Pine on March 03, 2021, 07:41:16 PM
Hay; I'm a cat lover......
They tast just like chicken.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 03, 2021, 07:42:04 PM
Pork.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: GCook on March 03, 2021, 08:39:34 PM
Sportsman's Guide has some Teepee tents reasonable.  Don't don't if they are worth your checking out.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 03, 2021, 09:04:29 PM
Been looking worldwide. Found a great looking cookshack but they don't ship to US or Canada.

Tentipi seems to be the bomb, here. Don't want to deal with a BEEG bunch of canvas that would be iffy for a cookshack, but one for just me? ... :goldtooth:

Woodstove jones satisfied. :campfire:

Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: degabe on March 06, 2021, 09:39:36 PM
My neighbor says that coyote back strap is good eating but I don't know if I'm up to trying it.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 07, 2021, 05:27:59 AM
T'were a brave man, what first et a oyster.

Unlike with mushrooms, curiosity fulfillment would not harbor the possibility of being fatal.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Roughcountry on March 07, 2021, 09:22:25 PM
Mt Lion is my favorite wild meat in the Blue Mountains.
Watch what you throw in your wood stoves killy, paper will sometime land on your tent and burn holes for the rain to get in.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 07, 2021, 10:50:20 PM
Thanks Robin. Having a stove is new to me, and I have been reading everything I can find about it. Been managing campfires for years, correctly? Maybe. They seem to work OK.

I got a Four Dog stove with a baffle in it under the stovepipe coming, Don is (hopefully) waiting for the paint to dry, or engraving it or some such. I have plenty of time. And there's a 1/16th cord of kiln dried hardwood in the front of my truck bed!

That will be a decent start for my learning curve.But between the baffle and a spark arrestor, I think I will be able to survive a little foolishness. Hmm. Maybe a stack robber...

Still dithering about how to dry it, I have no yard, but a 10x20 storage unit where I have dried my other tents, which are large, but synthetic. I may make a rack for that. No sense getting something if I can't care for it.

The wall-type tents would be great, and ApplePie distracted me with the Selkirk Spike tents. But 100 pounds makes me like a thirty pound tipi better.

Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: slowbowjoe on March 08, 2021, 06:28:17 PM
Wonderful to hear from you again Killie; 'been wondering how you were. Now about that tent tipi... to answer the OP (seems long ago and far away), I have not been in said tent. I have, however, lived in a traditional (canvas) tipi for a few years, in the Adirondacks, both with a stove and an open fire (not at the same time!). Have also had a lightweight backpacking tipi tent from Seek Outside.

I was puzzled trying to figure out what the TentTipis is, until I found it as the Nordic Tipi. I looked long and longingly at those a couple years ago, to use as a little retreat from the house. Haven't gotten one yet, but it may still happen! Let me be the first to say, I think your choice is excellent! I was also going to suggest maybe going for a smaller version than you started with, and I see you have. Good move.

I think you'll find the tent worth every penny, and with an ambience that isn't found in any rectangular alternatives. The fabric will perform better than the lightweight nylons for you, and have a better feel (take note that the Kifaru's and Seek Outsides are superb for when weight and packability are necessary; however condensation can indeed be an issue with them).

As far and being costly, I'm a believer in getting the right "thing", and being satisfied with how it performs, than trying to cut cost and gambling on suitability... Sometimes it costs more than we'd like (well, OK, it USUALLY costs more than we'd like), but better to feel content and confident than to wish you'd gotten the right thing at the start.

Enjoy!

Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 08, 2021, 07:14:02 PM
Thanks, Joe.
I have been desperately casting about on the web, seeking something less exorbitant, but keep banging my head against not enough room, too much canvas, not durable enough, and just plain ugly.

Now I get an email, the pink paint is dry, the engraving done, the bows tied, and the stove is shipped. Just kidding, except for the shipped part. I have a knack for shopping well. I usually buy the right thing. Over and over again! That is how I end up with all these bows and other launchers, knives, and five tents, not counting alcoves and tarps.

I seriously have to get rid of some stuff, if only so that I can find my other stuff!

Now, to pick out what I want to do about the tipi floor. Half floor or whole floor, boughten? The floors have zips to open them up to bare ground, which is a good thing with a stove and muddy boots. Or I could make-do with tarps and rugs.

Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Ron LaClair on March 08, 2021, 07:16:36 PM


https://youtu.be/HfiUgGhTe1k
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 09, 2021, 04:38:02 PM
I gotta see what else this rascal has been doing! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Roughcountry on March 09, 2021, 08:51:54 PM
Be sure and pitch that home away from home and show us some pictures.  I like a floor that is soundless (old canvas) and cut a spot out for the stove to live on bare dirt. I have one camp that has a planked floor across two logs. It has been in use for a lot of years and is still sound. Right now it's under six ft of snow.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on March 09, 2021, 08:58:31 PM
There is a world of tired in six feet of snow.
Snow has the ability to crush most everything.

I crunched through a bit of snow today as
I delivered  the mail, and we are supposed to hit over seventy degrees on Thursday.

Too early, and I am looking for winter's last hurrah.
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Killdeer on February 02, 2022, 09:02:03 PM
There is now a Tentipi Safir 9 in the back seat of my truck.
The floor and canopy arrived today, and that box is in the living room.

Now to get sheet metal screws for the stovepipe sections, and find the opportunity for a shakedown cruise.

It would really bug me to cash out before trying this.
Killdeer
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Wudstix on February 02, 2022, 09:49:47 PM
Rooting for you!!!
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Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: Pat B on February 02, 2022, 11:11:17 PM
Twin Oaks, during the Tenn Classic would be a good place for a test run, Killie. Hope to see you there.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Before I start...
Post by: A tag on February 03, 2022, 12:20:35 AM
I have been using this guy the last 4 years. It is stove friendly and has a floor. I really like the floor because it keeps the Camp robbers out. Mine is a 12x12. I can set it up my self and all fits in a big duffle bag. Last I looked Cabela's still sells them and I do like it better then a Canvas tent. Yes that's a mule deer doe standing besides my partners truck.