Well I think I have the plan for my new/old bow. I am using a bear kodiak from 1965. 47# at my draw length. Pushing a 400 gold tip 50 grain brass insert and a 175 head . Need some sharpening tips and wondering what y'all think about pushing an almost 575 grain arrow off a under 50# bow. Broadheads will be zwickey deltas thanks all.
Sorry just actually did the math and the arrow should be about 533 total weight
I use a bastard file to sharpen Black Diamonds. I like the little rough edge it leaves on the head.
I use an Ekco wheel sharpener, the wheels are case hardened and put a hollow ground even bevel on most heads. I would suggest ACE 160 gr. the steel is a bit thicker and is superior because it sharpens better on the Ekco. It beats everything, perfect bevel, less time and removes the burr. Here is a picture and link.
https://www.amazon.com/Sharpener-BOJ-Ergonomic-Handle-Sharpening/dp/B006CNY186/ref=asc_df_B006CNY186/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=198090821251&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1774219501441022974&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033604&hvtargid=pla-392601598045&psc=1
That combo puts your arrows at 11.34 gpp. I'd say that's pretty good as long as they fly nice and straight.
Yeah I know most folks think that is a touch heavy but I was always a heavy arrow fan from my compounds so I figure losing a few FPS is worth better penetration on impact and I can always back the point weight down a touch if I need to flatten things out
I don't think that's heavy at all, a little over 11 gpp. About optimal imo. To sharpen Zwickey Deltas, I use a file to bevel the three thickness points to the same as the rest of the blade and take out any concaveness in the blade. Then I put them on a Tru Angle file file block to true the bevels on both sides and then work them on coarse and fine Tru Angle hones.
Been shooting Delta 4 blades almost exclusively since 1985....I've sharpened them 9 ways to Sunday.
Sorry, had to catch a plane...
If you are using 2 blades I would highly recommend investing in a KME System. High quality product that will get the job done and last a long time.
That kme system does look excellent. Going to try and find one shortly
Tru angle and a buffing wheel or at least a strop :archer2:
When Ron at KME started his buiz he became a Sponsor on Tradgang. I got one of his systems and I KNEW this guy was onto something. He has been very successful with his product.
The one thing you need to address with Zwickeys is the tri-lam merger....and KME does that.
Excellent info. I am getting excited now for May 1st and maybe I can push a sharp zwickey thru a thunder chicken.
Here are some videos I did long ago pre KME...see if they will download for ya....
http://www.tradgang.com/tgsmf/index.php?topic=108880.0
As for sharpening, I use a Rada wheel, fine tune with a fine file, or, I just use a Lansky sharpener. The Lansky gets my 2 blade Deltas unreal sharp. Your arrow seems a wee heavy but should be fine with some tinkering with brace height. One good thing about a heavy arrow, its how quiet they are when shot. Best of luck!
Dang....I can't believe I made those videos in 2004!!!!
Way back when I was shooting Deltas I used a good 12" or bigger file and chock sticks. There was a plastic jig shaped like an arrow with a channel in it that your shaft laid into for a guide, really worked slick. About 15-20 strokes on each edge with the file and then up and down a few times on the sticks and you were shaving hair.
I have used about every sharpener known to man and that was the simplest ... a gent from the Trad Bowhunters of Washington gave a demonstration of the method and it was awesome. I also like the Rada wheel for touch up.
Great stuff all around.
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I was looking around this weekend at the Zwickeys only place I could find them was 3Rivers and all the 4 blades were out of stock and not back orderable. Was just curious if anyone knew if they were still making them?
They're still making them. Check out their website for other dealers if the one you usually use is out of stock.
Either way. I got 84 dozen!!!!!
Hope you don't run out of them Terry :laughing:
That was a joke.... but I got plenty I can assure you.. 4 bladers
too!
Quote from: STICKBENDER98 on March 09, 2020, 01:58:26 PM
I was looking around this weekend at the Zwickeys only place I could find them was 3Rivers and all the 4 blades were out of stock and not back orderable. Was just curious if anyone knew if they were still making them?
Looked like Big Jim had them as well as Kustom King.
Zsssss ROCK!!!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Terry Green on March 01, 2020, 09:13:11 PM
Dang....I can't believe I made those videos in 2004!!!!
Waiting for someone to tell us about watching them on Beta...
Terry, 84 dozen? We see all the kill pics, but just how often do you Miss? Most of us can't even count to 84 dozen!
I don't think your arrow is too heavy, but it does not need to be that heavy to be effective. I have been shooting carbon arrows that are 495 gr and 545 gr out of my 45 pound bow and I like the results. One of them is 11 GPP and the other is 12 GPP. But, they are very well tuned, and I find that to be important.
I got the arrow weight differences by using different brand shafts and by tuning carefully.
Get your broadheads shaving sharp and if the arrows shoot well you will be fine.
Quote from: Orion on March 09, 2020, 05:19:52 PM
They're still making them. Check out their website for other dealers if the one you usually use is out of stock.
You are mistaken. They haven't made them in a bit. Everyone I called/tried is out. I even ordered some only to be refunded.
I did see one over priced place showing in stock but I didn't try ordering
There is an issue w machine that makes 4 blade
Quote from: Sam McMichael on March 20, 2020, 09:40:14 AM
Terry, 84 dozen? We see all the kill pics, but just how often do you Miss? Most of us can't even count to 84 dozen!
:biglaugh: Like I said, that was a joke. But I really do have 4 or 5 dozen still in their packs from StJude wins or deals on classifieds.
I sent zwickey a e mail asking if they were still in business month ago. Got a reply saying that they hoped to be back in production in two or three months. No reason or explanation given. Not sure what it means but makes me wonder.
Yesterday, I did some inventory on my Zwickey's. I have 63 2 blade Deltas, 11 4 blade Deltas and 8 Eskimos. I surely hope they get back in production soon for several reasons. One, I only shoot 2 blade Deltas - practice & hunting. I don't even own a target point. And my second reason, I wouldn't like having to change my screen name,,,,LOL :biglaugh:
John;
Kinda like why I don't hunt with metal and carbon arrows. :o
My dog's name is Zwickey , hope they stay around so I don't have to call her VPA ...
Have you checked here?
http://www.braveheartarchery.us/zwicky_broadheads.htm
Those 170 grain Deltas look interesting, if they were only 4's. Always wondered why they didn't make heavier heads.
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Need to pay more attention!!! Those 170's are with an insert!!! Darn it, I was all excited. Found two Delta 2's and two Delta 4's in my broad head drawer. Have to put them in the rotation for hogs. So much experimenting to do and not as much time as before. Don't take anything for granted.
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Zwickey has not had 4 blades available in about a year. I don't know why, but the explanation already posted seems as logical as any.
Had no clue, I can't find 4 blade No Mercys anywhere. Yeah, I mostly shoot the 4 blade Deltas, but I really like that no mercy profile for certain bows.