I have my first 2 piece longbow coming my way and read somewhere that guys lube the connection to facilitate takedown. What do those of you that have this system use as a lube? Thanks.
I've been told to use string wax but I don't have a 2-piece to try it on.
The string wax suggestion sounds good. On my tds I use antisieze on the bolts sparingly. All of mine assemble with bolts though. The lock it socket is a different animal and my personal thought is any kind of lube that would cover all of it might cause a suction lock if too much was used since they are such a tight fit.
No experience with two piece bows, but I might try graphite.
I have 4 take downs (all three piece) and use a sparingly small amount of Vaseline on the threads and the riser/limb surfaces. I have yet to have any problems. String wax would work fine I imagine. I have seen guys use Chapstick at 3D shoots (I don't think flavor matters).
On a socket type connection in the handle the Vaseline should work as well. Would the string wax get sticky?
OkKeith
Randy sent a little tub of a wax with my Primaltech 2 piece.
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The vacuum lock issue is the thing you want to avoid.That can be a real pain in getting the locket socket apart or the brass steel sleeves.If I was to use wax I would use wax that's not thick and slicker.Guys use toilet bowl wax.Its more like vasoline.But thicker.
Whatever you use dont gob it on their.A very light film is better.
I have been through the vacuum lock thing a couple times.I got one apart using all my strength and black Widow method of getting them apart when their stubborn.The other time I had to have my neighbor on one side and me on the other and have a tug of war to get one apart.
Warm it with a hair dryer and it helps.
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String wax....works fine. Just don't use to much...that's when you get problems with sticking.
Nah that stuff Randy sent doesn't firm up like string wax. More slick. PM Crittergetter and I'm sure he can let you know what it is.
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Vaseline is to thin, string wax is to thick.
Get a toilet bowl ring! It's perfect. You can even melt some down and put in a small container to take with your other accessories.
A little goes a long way! If you don't take it apart very much you only need to lube it a couple times a year.
Toilet wax is what Wes Wallace told me to use on his bows he makes. Just a little bit.
Toilet Bowl Ring wax
I was told, use the toilet wax, a number of years ago right after the "slip fit" sleeve came into being. I have used it on my TD PL and it works great although I really dont take it apart but about once or twice a year.. When I do, I clean the fit up and replace just a bit of fresh wax.
Works for me.
Thanks guys :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Toilet bow wax is just thick Vaseline .. i'm told. I wouldn't use string wax. It can make it extremely difficult to disassemble especially when it's cold.
I melt toilet bowl rings and put it in tins to send to my customers. It works great and rarely do you need to re apply it. Just a dab will do you. It will also keep the socket quiet.
BigJim
Bigjim, Do you just rub it on as a solid or do you remelt it and apply?
It solidifies in the tin. I scrape out about the size of a pencil eraser and then spread it around the inside base of the socket. When you slide the bow together, pull it apart and re install a couple times and it's good to go. No need to melt.
BigJim
Thanks.
Fred go to the Black Widow site and watch their video on it. I think they use string was which most have said don't use but they do show a cool way to pull it apart if it becomes difficult.
Yes Lowrider, the method Black Widow demonstrates to pull apart a stuck or extra tight 2 piece is extremely effective. Yes you can use string wax.
It's cheaper to use the Vaseline or even better the $2 toilet bowl ring that will last 10 life times than it for a trip to the Dr. to get your shoulders xrayed.
When using the string wax, it is exponentially difficult to pull a 2 piece apart even using the behind the back method. Leave it together for over 6 months? Might as well enlist the help of two large men and a small farm animal to pull it apart!
I have owned many widow 2 piece bows... dozens. Some were made for me before I started making bows, and many I took in on trade. They do a fantastic job on some really great bows, but that perfect socket fit they have does much better with the "closet flange seal"
Now, if your socket is rather loose, all the above is null and void.
I've made over 1200 TD bows.. maybe much more. As time went on, I improved the fit. But even with that much practice, some will be a little easier/harder to dissaseble than others.
If your bow is very easy to take apart, than string wax may help.
Worse case scenario, you need help taking a bow apart... clean out the socket and don't use that wax anymore.
BigJim
Philip, I watched the video. They sure make it look easy enough. I went out yesterday and bought the wax ring from the hardware store so we'll see how it goes once the bow gets here.
Fred ,
Here's something that I use on my saw blades,cutting tools and it is scent free.
It is called a cut Lube and not greasy,sticky or gooey so to speak.
Very slick like a dry lube or deodorant stick without that sticky feel.
I use it on my Huntmore 360 bolts and washers so they don't squeak and makes it sort of spin better.
My sister got me this when I was making "Rings" from old coins and is just puts a slick dry feel to work surfaces or whatever you apply it too.
Doesn't seam to collect grit or in other words grit doesn't attach to it.
She got it from a Hobby store or I think even Wally World might have it in the jewelry department but don't quote me on that .
This is a 2oz. Push up tube with a cap to seal it.
Can be put in your backpack and not take up much room .
Probably would work on all those take down bows as well but I never had a Lock it socket bow so I can't say how it will work on the socket but I would give it a try if it was mine.
Anyway. Just a different option for you if you don't want the greasy feel. :archer:
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Thanks Keefer. Found it online :thumbsup:
I previously owned a Black Widow PL longbow. My experience, when using string wax mirrors BigJim's observation "Leave it together for over 6 months? Might as well enlist the help of two large men and a small farm animal to pull it apart!" My current bow is a Robertson CoyWolf take-down with a Locket Socket. I originally was using string wax and I literally had to use a couple of strap wrenches, after leaving it together for a period of time, to unlock. After switching to Vaseline, per Dick Robertson recommendation, the socket is a quick hand-twist to unlock. The toilet bowl wax also sounds like a great lube.
I did have a beautiful take down Mountain Monarch I bought from Big Jim and during my illness and a week moment I sold it. Still want to kick myself over that one. He does make a superb take down system and I am sure after making the number of bows that he has he knows the best methods.