I would like to thank Jason @ tuffhead and Allen @10 ring for their wonderful and quick service. Also a shoutout to Champion bowstrings and Terry for the digital marketplace.
The query I have is regarding toughness of carbon arrows.
I initially used the budget 340 Ics bowhunters. I still have one survivor from my initial set. After that I have tried axis , vintage , trad hunters and lastly the premium black eagle shafts - carnivores. The thought was to push for high foc.
I am just at my wits end as I am breaking shafts like crazy. When footed the ics, vintage , axis and the carnivore snap off behind the footing.
I tried without footing the arrows and get mushrooming on the shafts on stump hits.
I am likely headed to uk in the later part of the year and have the following options
A) pick up the best of above I.e. axis
B) try my luck from these - gt trad, fmj or acc.
C) ask big jim for dark timbers ( massive shipping costs)
What is your take ? Is it common for arrows to mushroom after one strike on hard stumps?
What is the toughest and straightest arrow shaft ?
Don't know that I can help but I have had good luck/experience with Carbon Express Heritage....haven't played around with much else.
The simple solution would to be more selective of the stumps you shoot. Not sure what species of trees you have in India but in North America some of our hardwoods are called that for a reason. Generally when we go out "stump shooting" we tend to be selective and pick old stumps that have deteriorated. Whenever we shoot a fresh cut stump, it is usually by mistake and sometimes with the results you experience.
If your only choice is fresh hard stumps shoot them from farther away.
Sorry, that's all I got.
PS. If your arrows are not flying well it will exacerbate the breakage issue.
As an adendum to the above, it is imperative to use a good quality adhesive on your inserts. A high strengh epoxy works well if you have no intention of removing the insert. There are some good "hot melt" glues that work well. You mentioned "Big Jim" he is one source.
Quote from: Daniel G. Banting on August 03, 2019, 06:02:04 AM
As an adendum to the above, it is imperative to use a good quality adhesive on your inserts. A high strengh epoxy works well if you have no intention of removing the insert. There are some good "hot melt" glues that work well. You mentioned "Big Jim" he is one source.
Used hot melt (not recommended for black eagle shafts) and used both CA based as well as two ton epoxy for the inserts.
Will try to source some easton epoxy.
never had a footed axis break yet. my footings are 2.5" long
My thoughts coincide with Daniel's. Stumps should be mostly decomposed as a hard stump can be likened to a rock. Like you I've found ICS Bowhunter shafts to be the least durable of all. Gold Tips are what I chiefly use as I've acquired a host of inserts and nocks over the years. Arrow manufacturers are scared to tell consumers there's a safe way to use hot melt on their shafts which doesn't involve direct or excessive heat. Carefully select your targets and you'll take care of your biggest problem. Carbon is tough but has limits.
I did break axis but it's rare! The stump in question is a mulberry tree and it is quite hard. It props up my foam target.
Seems I need to change my targets location and get some more axis.
You don't need archery specific epoxy. Just use one with a 24 hour cure time, like the stuff for golf clubs.
Day six carbon arrows are the toughest carbons I've ever used. Carbon Express Heritage are second.
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Quote from: yth-mnstr on August 07, 2019, 09:00:00 PM
Day six carbon arrows are the toughest carbons I've ever used. Carbon Express Heritage are second.
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Will check them out, arrow selection in uk is less than what is available in USA. I will be visiting uk and hence will pick up axis and some ce heritage.
Thanks for your time
Don't know if you have access to the tools but if you put a hardwood dowel about 4 to 6 inches long in your shaft, taper it back with a disk sander to just over the edge of the carbon and use glue on heads you wont break any carbons up front hitting tree stumps .