I've been wanting to add some weight to my carbons so i'm gonna try a 100gr brass insert which is on the way from a TradGang member. Thanks again!
Anyhow, while doing some readng of some older TBM's, I came across an article on adding weight to alumimum arrows...by using rope!
Then it hit me.
I could try the same with carbons.
So I hurried to my work bench in the basement and found some rope I have for dragging deer. It didn't work, too large of a diameter. RATS!
So, I started looking around for something that would be small enough to fit into a Vapor shaft....and low and behold, I found it. Work boot shoe laces. I grabbed one and tried it. Fit perfectly.
Then my wife saw what I was doing and mentioned about all those metal wire clothes hangers we have......DING!! Another idea!! So, I grabbed some wire cutters, measured the length, made two cuts, straightened out the wire, and tried it. Yup, fit great except it was moving around inside the arrow.
Again, another DING went off in my head and headed over to my reloading/archery bench. Grabbed some felt tape and duct tape. On three spots on the wire, I wrapped some felt and duct tape. I placed the wire into the shart and TA-DA!! No more rattling. At the end of the wire I added extra tape so that the nock won't pop out when it hits a target.
Both ways added weight and the wire added a nice amount of weight. Can't tell ya what total weight is because my scale only goes to 500gr.
Well, i grabbed the bow and headed out back. Set up a target and shot both arrows. WOW. The one with the shoe lace improved penetration and didn't make any noise. Nock did pop out so i gotta work on that.
Tried the one with the wire. HOLY CRAP! Talk about penetration! It at least doubled to what i'm used to. Nock was still intact.
Both arrows flew great too.
Thought I'd pass along a way I found that would help with adding weight to carbon arrows.
Gonna make a few more to try this week.....
I used to use 2 lengths of weed eater line, cut extra long, and press the nock in, using hot glue to keep it from popping out! That added 98 gr. to the shaft weight. I now use the weight tubes/straws! I bet the hanger really added the weight!!!
Guys have used everything from black pepper and salt to oatmeal, weedwhacker line and a ton of other stuff and ya can buy weight tubes as well. ya can also use air tubing like for fish tanks which works well. I feel the best by far is the brass inserts though. Shawn
I tried a bunch of make do things, and now it is only brass inserts.
Consistant, and no problems at all.
Where do you get brass inserts. I suppose that would help on my overspined arrows too. going from 100gr tip to 145 did help but I need some more weight. I think the inserts will be the ticket.
3 Rivers sells the brass inserts.
I just added salt to some old carbons I had around here for my old wheel bow and wow. You talk about penetration!! need to get the shafts weighed for a comparison but I would bet that it added atleast 100gr.
Bill
I stuff my Carbontechs with 1/4 inch nylon rope and they went from 450 gr to 610 gr. That's on a 29.5 inch arrow. Now they are a perfect weight for my 58 lb longbow. Have tried 1/8 steel cable and that bumped them up to 940 gr. A little too heavy that way!
ROPE!
1/4" Hollow poly: 30" = 100gr. It's like God did it on purpose or something. ;)
I enjoyed the results. Once you get the hang of pulling the rope through, you'll like it too.
I tried 3/8" on my 2317's and came out 790gr for a 71# bow. (31" arrow) Sweet.
Also like what it does to quiet the shafts.
%%) cord, poly rope works wonders on th 5/16" carbon shafts. Never thougha bout thicker for my 2315 for a 67# recurve, thanks True-position. Might fiddle with some for the 2020 and 2215 that I shot on occasion from my LB.
that's 550 cord !!!
i use fish pump tubing for my st epics, they fit perfectly.
Shapeshifter told me to take expanding foam and fill the shaft, I think I remember him saying it added about 50 grains.
Jake
aireator hose for fish tanks work well also.
What about for Carbon Express 45-60s?
Haven't received them, yet, so I don't know the interior hole diameter. What have you all tried?
John
What about for Carbon Express 45-60s?
Haven't received them, yet, so I don't know the interior hole diameter. What have you all tried?
John
:biglaugh:
weight tubes from 3 rivers. fit well and doesn't effect arrow flight or spine.
I went with the weight tubes. Like 4 bucks a dozen, cut it to length, drop it in and forget it.
I'm all for saving a dollar, but when something works, why mess around?
Thanks!
Where did ya find weight tubes $4/doz?
The ones at 3 rivers were $12/doz. That's not too bad either, but $4 would be 3 times better.
John
I have been using 1/8" Wooden Dowels on my Axis Shafts, and the Glue Up,is nice and Tight inside the Carbon Shaft, with no Weight Shifting.
soon at your local archery shop will be outsert/inserts that fit in existing insert and allow you to put your point in them Weigh 25 grains each for those looking for an easy, albiet lighter solution to the weight problem. Does add a half inch
I have not tryed it yet,Dr Ashby shared it will me last week. Polyester pillow filling, he said it was kind of a pain pushing it in the shafts. But you could gain another 100 grs of weight doing it with carbons. And arrows are never to heavy for him! :bigsmyl:
The one thing is I don't think it will be a problem with it moving around in the shaft like other materials. And should not affect the spine of the arrow. Sounded like a good cheap alturnative to weight tubes. I use Gold Tips brass weights behind the inserts to tune my shafts. But was also looking for a way to increase arrow weight without affecting spine.
Brent
Guys,
I have often wondered if that expandable spray foam stuff would work? Squirt it in and let it do its thing.
Nick
After stuffing everything into carbons to get them heavy enough I finally came to a simple solution that works great for me.I dropped bow weight enough so now the carbons are just right with a big broadhead on them. :) More than one way to skin a cat. :bigsmyl:
It will just be a little (hard) to control weight. Love those plays with words. I hate that creapy stuff. It goes everywhere but most often not where its suppose to. But worth a try, let me know how it works. I'd like to know a average of what it weights. Naturally with out plugging up My Shafts. :bigsmyl:
Brent
I love this site. What a clever bunch of guys. I will add one. Tell me what you think. The material is heavy and quiet. use a caulk gun and a tube of silicone caulk. Cut the tip small and keep filling until it won't take any more. It is very flexible and will never get loose. Push a small rod in from the nock end to push out the caulk that might interfere with installing the nock and clean the inside of the shaft with acetone or another solvent.
Put me in too RGK this is the greatest site ever. The ideas like yours are great, I'm gonna stick you in the clever catagory.
Brent
I use the longer inserts in my Beman ICS Hunter shafts. I drill out the hole in the back to the correct size and then run a tap in from the front to thread the whole insert. I cut some 8/32 rod in the length I need to get the amount of weight I want to add. Then I put a field point in the insert and screw the rod in from the back until in contacts the field point. I mark the threaded rod with a Sharpie where it contacts the insert. Take the threaded rod out, add some loctite and screw the threaded rod back into the insert. I screw it up till there is about 1-2 turns left before the mark I made is at the insert. This insures there is room for your field points or broadheads to screw in the insert. Stand the insert on it's end, make sure the threaded rod is straight up and let it dry overnight and then put the insert in the shaft. I checked my broadhead shafts against the field point shafts and the field points are longer, so I use them to make sure I've left enough room for either to screw into the insert. 8/32 rod in 3 foot length is cheap and will do a bunch of arrows. I use a glue gun to put my inserts into my shafts. I can reheat the insert with the glue gun and pull it out if needed. So far I haven't pulled a single insert out using glue instead of epoxy. While the insert glue held I have pulled 4 snuffer broadheads off their adapters in my McKenzie target. I forgot to add I use a die to clean up the threads on one end of the threaded rod after I cut it to length. One of the best things I ever bought for archery was an RCBS 10-10 scale off ebay, it opened up world of options when building arrows. Yes, I know I'm sick but I like to tinker with my archery stuff.
Doug
Wow!
I used 9 guage platic coated fencing wire and it took my arrow weight to over 1000 grains! and flew at 130 feet per second....ouch
By the way Balding Eagle,
I just noticed your question farther up about Carbon Express. I use those exact same inserts and the same procedure in my Carbon Express 45-60s, the inserts fit perfect.
Doug
NCRecurve,
Thanks.
I finally tried some clothes line and went from 1 oz. to 1.3 oz. - about 100 grain increase.(Don't have a grain scale, yet. I found 50 feet of braided, nylon clothes line for about $4 at Ace Hardware. Shoved it down in there and it worked pretty well. Only shot the arrows a few times so far, but the nocks haven't moved. I noticed that the bow is quieter with these heavier arrows. (Shoudl be about 570grains.)
I tried nylon rope in my easton epics, but what i found was that they were hitting and slamming the cord into the insert. After 5 shots you could feel the cord moving around, so I pulled it out. It had crumbled up to the front, it went from being almost the shaft length to half it's original size. I even tried to wrap duct tape around it, made it to length, but that too came up with flaws. Seems real cold weather and duct tape don't mix to well, the tape seemed to stiffen up causing the cord to do the same thing, of course this took about 7-8 shots before it happened. Think I'll just get the brass inserts.
What we use over here is that Rubber Tubing that you use to hold the Flyscreen mesh in your Screen Door or windows .That packs the weight on .
Another thing is ,6mm Air Hose ,, hard plastic type stuff like on Air Shocks , Air compressor etc .
At the moment , I have some 6mm threaded brass rod hot melted in just behind the insert . Equals 70 grain per inch ;) I have 3 inches in there :thumbsup:
I fill mine with 150 grains of blackpowder behind a shotgun primer glued in. Seems to give the most bang for the buck.
Penetration is odd sometimes....arrows and shrapnel come flying back at you.
Swanny,ya just ain't right,LOL!
I have found that cord and stuff like that make the arrow wobble the heaviest arrows I have found are the Beman and easton skinny carbons, I can get an arrow around 550gr to around 640gr with 250 gr points
Swanny,
You fill the entire shaft with FFG and drop a 9 1/2 magnum rifle primer inside the insert and screw the field point in very very carefully till it just snugs the primer. Ya never seen penetration like it! Works great on groundhogs!!!
I'll have to keep an eye on the crumpling. Guess I haven't shot it enough for that to happen, yet. I put in 7/32" line and it was pretty tight. Had to twist its to get it in there and the flight has been good so far.
They also make 1/8 inch doles that work nicely, the weight added depends on the wood type is...RP
Bullets from .22 ammo weigh 40 grains per, just glue in however many you need behind the point. (Hollow points are 36 grains)