I have some big 160 grain sniffers I'm thinking about hunting with this year. They are like 1 1/2 inches wide. A bit bigger than I have used before. Anybody have experience with these heads? Any penetration issues? Good blood trails imagine
What are you going to hunt with them????
What is your bow weight and you're draw length???
50#@28 r/d bow. Well I want to use them on turkeys in a couple months but what I'm really wondering about is deer
Gonna beef em up tho with steel inserts. Hope to make em 250 grains. That's what my arrow setup is tuned to
I've had pass through on every deer that I shot with them. 53# longbow and cedar arrows, 10-11 grains per pound arrow weight. You'll be fine
Deer...no problem.....Turks either.
Good! Thanks guys
Are you drawing 28"?
Roger Rotthaar shot big deer, he recommended a minimum of 60# for the 160. People have done well with less. Snuffer 160 has been my favorite 3 blade since their introduction, I use 67# for them. I also have a 55# hybrid LB and for that weight I use the 145gr Snuffer.
Yeah I draw 28
The reason I said no problem is the 145 is longer than the 125....and the 160 is longer than the 145...so they all have the same angle of attack. But might be best to consider Roger's claim.
Ryan is a member here....he may happen along and ahead some light on your concern.
I shot a buck quartering away with a 125 grainer and 56# curve that blew through it like it was made of paper breaking a rib on the way out....the arrow weighed 570 grains total.
Hmm yeah my total arrow weight is like 520 with about 23% foc.
I know a fellow that shoots in the 40s. That's the exact Head he uses w no issues and great blood trails. Commonly pass throughs
No problem for deer/bear sized game with bows in the 50 lb range and big Snuffers. I shot my last bull elk with 55lb R/D longbow, 550 grain arrow and a big Snuffer..went into the feathers. The last few years before he passed Dad was shooting around 50 lbs give or take a couple and killed a truckload of deer with the big heads.
I wouldn't worry at all, and enjoy the blood trails!
R
That's good to hear. I have a pack of them that I bought when I was hunting with self bows. I got them online and when I saw how big they were I shied away from them. But now I'm hunting with glass bows so I started looking at em again
Shot a big ohio doe a few years back with my daughters 42# recurve, 2014 shafts, and 160 snuffers. Quartering away. The arrow stopped with the fletching in the lungs and she did about 3 hops and a drop. Blood everywhere. When really sharp they blow through like everything else................ For large pigs Id want more horsepower but other than that I would have no doubts with a setup like yours.......
I really wish I would have never sold my one Sixties.... I ground some down to 125 but they still had the length of the 160.... Sold them pretty sure also....
I'm just glad that I bought up a stash of big Snuffers and 160 Magnus 2 blades before they went out, wish I had bought more.
I picked up a few of the big snuffer glue on heads recently and with the inserts weigh in right around 200 grains. Would these work well for me on whitetails out of a 40# Toelke Pika? My total arrow weight would be around would be about 515 grains.
Modad... the thought of using the 160 gr. Snuffer (the only real Snuffer as far as I'm concerned) out of a 40# bow for big game makes me nervous.
You'll probably get a lot of opinions to the contrary but thinking about it still makes me twitch.
What Charlie said :readit:
Charlie, what would be the minimum draw weight you'd suggest for using these heads?
Depends on the bow, but over 45# and closer to 50# as far as I'm concerned.
I agree with Charlie's assessment.
Light bows are why they build smaller broadheads 😀.
R
Ive shot Snuffers since the early '80's.... going way back to the greenish colored ones. I shoot 145 and 160 gr. Snuffers and I tell everyone that over that period of time I have put a couple of dozen deer in the truck that if I had shot them with a lesser head, probably wouldn't have recovered them. I have killed several hundred deer, a pile of turkeys and bear as well as a lot of hogs with 160 grain snuffers. A 160 grain head is great insurance for that marginal hit.
I have shot them off of bows as low as 50 pounds and as high as 80 (back when I was young and foolish). These days I use 55-65 pound bows and have no problems with penetration.
I like this thread! Only Snuffer killed deer I had was like Terry's. Think it was about 56# on a lodge pole shaft and 125g glue on. Blew through an adult doe like butter and she just walked off and fell over. I have some 145's and 160's but got into the wensel woodsmans when they came out and never used them. I need to!
I'm shooting 160's with a total arrow weight from 540 to 650gr out of 46 to 53# depending on the bow but bows made and set up for the faster side I guess,, I'm confident in my set ups by spending lots of time practicing with these heads and bare shafting the arrows
you hit that spot with any head and down it goes...
Very effective on whatever they hit. :coffee: :bigsmyl: :campfire:
Quote from: Charlie Lamb on March 13, 2019, 09:35:47 AM
Modad... the thought of using the 160 gr. Snuffer (the only real Snuffer as far as I'm concerned) out of a 40# bow for big game makes me nervous.
You'll probably get a lot of opinions to the contrary but thinking about it still makes me twitch.
I agree with Charlie...
I killed several black bears, caribou, and deer with 160 grain snuffers shot out of bows from 68# to 86# (I didn't always get pass throughs depending on the angle and bone, etc.) but...
With a 71# long bow at 29 1/2" draw length I shot a medium size bull moose at very close range perfectly broadside through the very top of the heart and did not get a pass through. I can't remember if I hit a rib or not upon entry but most likely I did.
He didn't go far though, that's for sure!
I found some 160 glue on that im going to pick up for turkeys.
Not sure at 42# I've got enough juice for whitetails though, heads are huge!
The snuffers are great heads, I shot a lot of critters with them but I was shooting 65 and 70 pound bows and the damage they caused was remarkable. I wish I had some still, a great broadhead made by a great man, and family.
I love Snuffers, 145s and 160s. My all time favorite setup was a 60# @ 28 Silvertip recurve that I drew to 29 with 2219s and 160 Snuffers. That thing really was fun. I had some epic kills with that setup.
I can't pull 60# anymore due to some should issues, but I have a 54# Silvertip that loves 2115s and 145 Snuffers. I haven't killed anything with this one yet, but I will.
D.P.
If you don't like I'll pm my address. Scary sharp is the key.
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Quote from: Wudstix on February 12, 2021, 09:21:23 PM
If you don't like I'll pm my address. Scary sharp is the key.
:thumbsup:
Haha there ya go. Im gonna get em, may try em out on a few smaller does first to see how I like em
My boys and I shot the 125 grain a lot we killed a bunch of bears, whitetails, mule deer and a couple of caribou and my youngest boy shot the 160 on deer . I dont remember any pass throughs but lots of complete penetration we used 50 to 57 lb. bows .
A friend gave me 2 dozen 160 grain snuffers a couple of years ago but I havent tried them yet they are not completed they need to have the final grind done, I grind em on my belt sander .When the WW came out I switched to it and I liked it better .
I was down in Georgia last week and shot a very large boar with a 60 pound bow, 620 grain fir arrow and 160 grain Snuffer. When I was processing him I discovered he had a foreign object lodged in his off side shoulder... :archer:
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Best heads I've ever used, though I haven't used many cause Snuffers have always done what I asked of em from mid 50 to 70 lb bows. Really wish someone would start making em again - every once in awhile I hear a rumor... I'm down to a precious few remaining and I'm always a day late to the party when I hear of someone selling em. Wonder whatever happened to the equipment, that'd be a fun venture!
Rando
See them every once in a while on the auction site. Price is usually astronomical though. They are wicked. Best part is they have to be the easiest head to sharpen ever PERIOD.
I tend to agree with Charlie and Terry on 160 Snuffers with 40 lb. It would definitely be pushing your luck a bit. It's one of those things where I think you would be ok, but I would hate to find out I was wrong. Pretty sure you would be ok with turkeys, but I wouldn't try it with deer. Try the Grizzly Instinct.
Grizzly Instinct, VPA, Woodsman 150 grain get you the weight with a slightly more slender head.
:coffee: :campfire: :archer2:
I used to shoot snuffers a lot, I had the smaller ones too on my lighter bows. I don't know why I switched really but I got bit by the single bevel craze that's been going around.
Probably going to switch back and start shooting my heavier bows again with the 160s. I killed a few with them back in the day but I never hit one forward and to my knowledge never encountered any bone, probably because of fear for lack of better word for the paddle bone or ball joint.
Maybe Ryan or someone with more experience with the snuffer can weigh in but how do they fare against bone? Usually if hit one forward with a 2 blade it goes through. Never have with a 3 blade. Not saying I want to but just curious.
I wouldn't bet the farm on getting through the front shoulder ball joint or thick portions of the shoulder blade with any broadhead. I also believe WAAAYYY more deer are lost (that end up dead) from hits "too far back"...where penetration is a non-issue.....than to inadequate penetration on bone. Inadequate penetration on bone usually doesnt end up with a dead deer....gut shots always do. I'll take the big heads and advantages they give for hits "too far back"....and do my best to stay off the shoulder blade. Just my take on it.
R
Sound advice from experience Ryan. I also agree
Thanks to R.V.T.B who posted earlier he showed me several years ago how to get Snuffers real sharp.....im mean REAL sharp and since then I've killed a half a dozen deer with the 160 gr Snuffers.......all with bows right at 40-42 lbs! On broadside deer they've poked out the other side so there were two holes and lovely blood trails. Quartering away deer, no off side complete pentation but good blood and dead deer! If you can get em really sharp, get deer in stickbow range, I'm not the least bit worried about them doing the job Roger meant for them to do.
I will also echo Ryans thoughts on the too far back issue and a 160 Snuffers is great insurance!!!
Quote from: Yohon on February 15, 2021, 04:16:59 PM
Thanks to R.V.T.B who posted earlier he showed me several years ago how to get Snuffers real sharp.....im mean REAL sharp and since then I've killed a half a dozen deer with the 160 gr Snuffers.......all with bows right at 40-42 lbs! On broadside deer they've poked out the other side so there were two holes and lovely blood trails. Quartering away deer, no off side complete pentation but good blood and dead deer! If you can get em really sharp, get deer in stickbow range, I'm not the least bit worried about them doing the job Roger meant for them to do.
I will also echo Ryans thoughts on the too far back issue and a 160 Snuffers is great insurance!!!
Care to share the sharpening method?