I'm looking for opinions on the best points for stump shooting and small game hunting.I currently am using judos but they get beat pretty quickly. Any advice or opinions on this.
Ace Hex Heads and it's not even close. I've tried everything, even DIY...this is my second season with the Hex's. When they hit the ground, they don't skip, they don't bury, they blow through small game.
just ordered some of these from three rivers, I think they will be great all around small game and stumping. at 75 grains they should be easy to match any weight to tune. should be able to shoot up in trees without sticking in trees to. :biglaugh:
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Ace Hex blunt for me :thumbsup:
I very rarely actually shoot stumps, just not very many here in Colorado that aren't rock hard, but out of all the different types I've tried, VPA SGT's are head and shoulders above the others for small game and shooting at soft roving targets.
Quote from: gvdocholiday on January 18, 2019, 05:38:05 PM
Ace Hex Heads and it's not even close. I've tried everything, even DIY...this is my second season with the Hex's. When they hit the ground, they don't skip, they don't bury, they blow through small game.
Another one for ACE Hex.... :wavey:
Quote from: arrow30 on January 18, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
just ordered some of these from three rivers, I think they will be great all around small game and stumping. at 75 grains they should be easy to match any weight to tune. should be able to shoot up in trees without sticking in trees to. :biglaugh:
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Quote from: GCook on January 18, 2019, 07:40:26 PM
Quote from: arrow30 on January 18, 2019, 05:55:58 PM
just ordered some of these from three rivers, I think they will be great all around small game and stumping. at 75 grains they should be easy to match any weight to tune. should be able to shoot up in trees without sticking in trees to. :biglaugh:
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I bought some of these this year, I do like the way they ride in a bow quiver, they ran into the grass a lot farther than my VPA SGT usually do. Probably will keep carrying them though, especially during elk season simply because of the way they carry in the quiver like normal and I don't have to reverse the arrow putting the nock into the foam!
Another vote for Ace Hex blunts.
Stump shooting...Zwicky Judo Points are KING but I will occasionally use a steel blunt or rubber blunt if that's what I have on me and the shot calls for it.
Small game hunting gets a little tricky and the answer varies depending on the game being hunted and particular shot availible...
- squirrel on the ground gets a broadhead or a Red Feather Archery Talon depending on the shot
- squirrel in a tree gets an RFA Talon
- rabbits get an RFA Talon or rubber blundgeon depending on the shot
- birds (quail, dove, etc) get an RFA Talon
- small furbearer (coon, fox, etc) get either a broadhead or RFA Talon
- bullfrogs get a Zwickey Judo or Condor or rubber blunt depending on the shot
- pests that I'm asked to exterminate usually get a broadhead
If I had to pick one head to do it all for small game I would likely choose my RFA Talons but the reality is while they are by far my favorite steel blunts, there are times that a steel blunt really isn't the best tool for the job.
For stumping, these are. I think they are 165 grains, and I have alot of setups that use 175 grain heads, so a better match than judos, and even less likely to get buries. Did kill an armadillo with a head shot, but better choices for small game
Ace hex heads here too.
David
Ace hex heads or Judos here.
Judos. I haven't found a way to lose one yet, and they leave a hole like a broadhead through rabbits and squirrels.
Plain old field points for stumping and roving. The same thing with a small hole drilled through and a matching size finishing nail inserted through for small game.
Nothing seems to work on rocks though. :o
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WOW Thank you guys that was very helpful. I didn't realize that steel blunts are that popular for shooting stumps. THANK YOU
hex heads are not steel blunts.
What are hex heads if they are not steal blinf
For rabbits and squirrels I like to shoot Rage. I find the lack of penetration doesn't damage any meat. And if you loose them who cares they weren't worth a crap to begin with. :archer2:
Stump shooting Judo
small game medium game large game any game Broadhead
hex head fan here too, except they break my cedar and douglas fir shafts a lot at the back of the point when hitting hard stuff. Haven't broke a carbon arrow with them yet. But find myself going back to judo's more than hex heads on my wood arrows these days. Still, on small game and killing effectiveness I think the hex head is a better mouse trap over a judo and doesn't snag on stuff in flight like a judo can when you don't want it too.
Agree with Terry broadheads are a more lethal choice on small game over most of the small game heads available, but I won't shoot broadheads up in the trees and of course not for practice shots and stumping either. I always have at least one arrow with either a hex head or judo on it in the quiver for just that reason.
Those 3R thingy's behind a field point look interesting. I'm about 70/30 on wood arrows when small game hunting, but may have to give those contraptions a try on my carbon arrows...
Just stumping/roving Judo is my favorite. I like Small game thumpers or Ace Hex when chasing small game. Yes they will stick in trees too. I left a several of em in CO last year chasing those damn grouse.
I like the Ace Hex too, but am glad to see the Talon is back again. Love those small game heads! Hoping they come out with a 175f or 200g one eventually. Actually hit a rock with one last weekend. Should've known that was the bare spot I was shooting at LOL broke the arrow, but the head was fine.
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I have used alot of different heads, and there are pros and cons to all of them. Really not much of a fan of hex or blunt heads for the most part because they bury in soft ground to easily. The small game thumper heads from vpa archery are pretty nice, and come in different weights. The heavier versions aren't as likely to bury and are devastating on small game, but a little more pricey than buying some hex heads. I really hate losing arrows that got buried, so I rarely use hex heads. Another option would be to get the glue on judo kondor tip, and add an insert to get to the weight that you want. They weigh 145 grains as is, I believe. They have pretty large spring arms, so they are more problematic for fitting into some quivers. Lots of options out there. Good luck.
Quote from: varmint101 on January 19, 2019, 10:06:34 AM
I like the Ace Hex too, but am glad to see the Talon is back again. Love those small game heads! Hoping they come out with a 175f or 200g one eventually. Actually hit a rock with one last weekend. Should've known that was the bare spot I was shooting at LOL broke the arrow, but the head was fine.
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Where did you get your talon heads?
Quote from: pdk25 on January 19, 2019, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: varmint101 on January 19, 2019, 10:06:34 AM
I like the Ace Hex too, but am glad to see the Talon is back again. Love those small game heads! Hoping they come out with a 175f or 200g one eventually. Actually hit a rock with one last weekend. Should've known that was the bare spot I was shooting at LOL broke the arrow, but the head was fine.
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Where did you get your talon heads?
They started making them again. It's not red feather anymore it's just talon heads. They're $20 for 3 now. I don't know if they're sponsors so I won't post a link, but here is a picture of the package. I don't know if that's ok either, but we'll find out.
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Ace Hex, I like the judo's, but they tend to hang up in wood worse than the Ace's.
For stumping I prefer Judos. I h like the hex heads a lot for small game but they slide under leaves too much for me stumping. So I use both depending on what I'm shooting
Thanks for the talon info
Ace Hex.
I have "the hammer blunt" from 3-rivers and they have worked well but still bury underground. I really like "the forge" 75gr adapter for a field point. They don't bury at all and hold up well. I might have to pick up a pack of those "Talon heads" because the big fox squirrels down here are TOUGH!
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"For rabbits and squirrels I like to shoot Rage. I find the lack of penetration doesn't damage any meat. And if you loose them who cares they weren't worth a crap to begin with. :archer2:"
I agree!!